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Almost every single laptop ever in the history of the universe has been BGA. It's not a detriment. In fact, it helps with form factor and heat dissipation.

Actually, you're quite wrong in that regard. I've swapped out many laptop CPU's that were socketed. Really, I've yet to come across a soldered-on CPU.
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Is good to see Intel Flop, so AMD can catch up with them and good competition is better for everyone.
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It's a good thing gamers worth a damn don't game on an IGP.
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ancient games like SplinterCell Chaos THeroy struggle @ 1280x1024 and any amount of settings on my G540's iGPU
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Actually, you're quite wrong in that regard. I've swapped out many laptop CPU's that were socketed. Really, I've yet to come across a soldered-on CPU.

Alright alright, I was wrong in that regard. My point, though, was that BGA isn't a big deal. People were making it out like no matter whether the i7-4950hq is faster or not, it's BGA, so it loses automatically.

For the record, 3 out of my past 4 laptops were BGA.
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Actually, you're quite wrong in that regard. I've swapped out many laptop CPU's that were socketed. Really, I've yet to come across a soldered-on CPU.
That is what I said that guy is quite stuborn
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Alright alright, I was wrong in that regard. My point, though, was that BGA isn't a big deal. People were making it out like no matter whether the i7-4950hq is faster or not, it's BGA, so it loses automatically.

For the record, 3 out of my past 4 laptops were BGA.
All laptops except for a celeron where all LGA I've only seen like 30 laptop's internals so don't shoot the messenger.
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No offense, but do people in this thread even know what BGA means, or did they just see someone use it as an argument, and decided to copy-paste it?

BGA stands for "ball grid array," and is merely a way to permanently attach a chip to a motherboard. That's it. Big deal.

Almost every single laptop ever in the history of the universe has been BGA. It's not a detriment. In fact, it helps with form factor and heat dissipation.


BGA doesn't specifically help with heat dissipation. Soldering the chip only reduces the thickness of the motherboard components. Historically, the first company to do this in any universal fashion was Apple. They did it because thinness was an advertising point, not because it is better.

 

From a repair standpoint, a socket is much better as the motherboard or processor can be reused easily if the other is bad. Desoldering, resoldering, and testing a BGA with over 1000 pins would be an all-day affair if done by hand. Automated machines cost boatloads of cash. The cheapest option becomes throwing out the old (or sending to a specialized repair point) and replacing with new, but each different combination of motherboard and chip must be kept available.

 

Overall, this is not a great prospect for power users.

 

As to the question of who's fastest; I can't see a BGA chip being eligable as it is definitely a different product category. I also can't see AMD and Intel chips seriously competing as their differing chip costs puts both in far different markets as well. That said, I don't know that I really care about who has the fastest IGP. If I'm buying a laptop and don't have the money for a dedicated chip (or don't want the extra power drain), then I'm probably still shopping for most bang per unit of currency with fastest IGP not being an issue.

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Go get yourself some real life experience this whole solder to the board is something that didn't happen that much in the past in laptops.
The argument was about who has the APU gpu performance crown now what you gonna do about it.
The fact they are BGA only means you can not get your hands on the product as a part and as said before the slower ddr3 ram would even account for the hd8670 falling behind the Iris pro a single fps.
Go figure the 6800K beats your Iris pro and has drivers that don't glitch out any indie game wink.gif

You fail to realize that the A10-6800K with DDR3-2133 RAM still is incapable of actually beating the performance of Iris Pro, regardless of this whole BGA/LGA dispute. Its still a weaker CPU/iGPU. That will probably change with Kaveri, but in regards to CPUs that are actually released, Intel does hold the iGPU performance crown atm.
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That is what I said that guy is quite stuborn
All laptops except for a celeron where all LGA I've only seen like 30 laptop's internals so don't shoot the messenger.


^Read above. And read my post showing benchmark numbers. Both are awful in performance for really any major release gaming though.
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Who cares if the APUs are better...

Intel CPU's still blow anything AMD makes out of the water. And with a dedicated GPU (which is, again, all that matters), AMD is just looking weaker and weaker.

I'll stick with my dedicated GPU and let the "real gamers" go play on their APUs.
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So the i7-4950hq, a mobile processor that's faster than a fx 8350 and 20-30% better GPU than a A10-6800k, and uses half the amount of power. Sounds really crappy. Must be terrible for consumers rolleyes.gif


For the love of god, a freaking mobile CPU that's faster than AMD's top of the line processor, and MUCH faster than AMD's top of the line APU....and it's somehow inferior? What are you guys smoking?
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