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After reading most responses in this thread, I think people aren't seeing the whole picture. Mobile APU's are not the target here, and I think there is some validity to AMD's statement.

The "Jaguar" cores along with GCN cores on the PS4 are going to be different from any APU that is currently on the market, so they really cannot be compared to current products. Even the newest A10-6800K cannot be put up for comparison simply because the 6800K has 4 physical cores while the APU in the PS4 will have 8. Games on the PS4 will be designed to be highly threaded, which means AMD chips with many CPU cores should run very well. The optimization for AMD-based architectures, both CPU and GPU, should give people with AMD-based APUs a leg up in performance. Will it be enough to give AMD the edge in performance? I have no clue. Only time will tell on that one.

No one is going to deny that at the moment, Intel has the better chips. The Iris Pro is in a class of its own for an integrated graphics solution, but as many have pointed out, the package it comes on is significantly more expensive too. When you compared like-priced APU's from AMD and Intel, AMD wins very convincingly on the GPU side of things while Intel has the better CPU package. We'll see where things go from here, but I doubt AMD would announce something like this if they weren't fairly confident in the results.
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No, because it's not even on the horizon yet. If that were allowed, I would just look at Intel's roadmap, take their snazzy projection graphs, and say "well this is where they'll be in 3 years. Beat THAT!"

The PS4 APU will be available to OEMs by the end of this year.
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The "Jaguar" cores along with GCN cores on the PS4 are going to be different from any APU that is currently on the market, so they really cannot be compared to current products. Even the newest A10-6800K cannot be put up for comparison simply because the 6800K has 4 physical cores while the APU in the PS4 will have 8. Games on the PS4 will be designed to be highly threaded, which means AMD chips with many CPU cores should run very well.
Higher clocks compensate for fewer cores.
Edited by DuckieHo - 6/7/13 at 11:15pm
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Higher clocks compensate for fewer cores.

It depends on the inherent architecture. The "Jaguar" cores will be different from the current lineup of APU's, so your statement may or may not be true.
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Im not a fanboy but thats not gonna help AMD in any significant way. I feel like most people that play PC games actually get independent graphics cards
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Originally Posted by CovertCover View Post

Who cares if the APUs are better...

Intel CPU's still blow anything AMD makes out of the water. And with a dedicated GPU
(which is, again, all that matters), AMD is just looking weaker and weaker.

I'll stick with my dedicated GPU and let the "real gamers" go play on their APUs.
So you come into a thread about iGPUs to post that? I don't even get what the big deal is in this thread. New tech beats out old tech. We'll see where AMDs newer APUs stand when they come out, if they haven't improved then you can complain about it.
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It depends on the inherent architecture. The "Jaguar" cores will be different from the current lineup of APU's, so your statement may or may not be true.

Aren't "Jaguar" cores an architecture derived from Bobcat?



http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review/3

I don't know, but 4 Jaguar cores don't seem too impressive. What more 8?

Dell XPS 12 is running a dual core i5-3317u.
Edited by Kand - 6/8/13 at 1:09am
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I'll believe it when I see it.
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Aren't "Jaguar" cores an architecture derived from Bobcat?



http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review/3

I don't know, but 4 Jaguar cores don't seem too impressive. What more 8?

Dell XPS 12 is running a dual core i5-3317u.

Mind you, that sample is running 1.5GHz, while the PS4/XBone supposedly runs at 2. Also, double the cores on the side.
    
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Mind you, that sample is running 1.5GHz, while the PS4/XBone supposedly runs at 2. Also, double the cores on the side.

So at best the 8-core jaguar CPU would score just under 4 in cinebench.

That's marginally better than a Ivy Bridge i3.
 
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So at best the 8-core jaguar CPU would score just under 4 in cinebench.

That's marginally better than a Ivy Bridge i3.
Assuming near-perfect scaling, yes. (still assuming the consoles really are clocked at 2GHz, which isn't confirmed as far as I know.)
But there's always something with the consoles, that put them apart from the PC, when it comes to CPU's (less overhead, "direct programming to hardware", et cetera.), so this performance would be indicative at best.

Anyways, from a price perspective it doesn't seem all that bad (on paper). An SoC with HD7790-7850 perf. and a CPU that's comparable to an i3 in multithreaded perf.
Now, die size... Such an SoC might be in a class of it's very own. God only knows how much such a chip would cost to produce, because assuming that it would cost somewhat the same as current-line APU's in production, would seem fairly foolish.
All speculation though. The rumors of these APU's trickling down to low/mid-end PC's is interesting though, since it would be a first.
Anyways I might as well confess: I am a fan of what AMD is doing with their APU's. Does it satisfy my performance standards yet (especially GPU-wise)? No.
Does it have the prospect of getting to that point? Yes, so it would seem so.

EDIT: fixed some typos for readability. (English still isn't my native language, so IDK if it's that much better redface.gif)
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