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Im not a fanboy but thats not gonna help AMD in any significant way. I feel like most people that play PC games actually get independent graphics cards

This is a myth the enthusiast's like to push. You would be surprised how many WoW players user an IGP. My son's (9 years old) gaming PC at home uses onboard graphics and he plays Pirates 101, Wizards 101, Minecraft, Age of Empires Online, Stronghold 2 and numerous other games with no issues. (His system has an APU).

Most people playing games on a PC have a stock PC and just throw games on it. My own experience ( no data beyond personal knowledge to back this up) is that about 50% of PC gamers likely use an IGP, another 35% spend less that $200 for a video card, 10% spend under $300 on a video card, 4.5% spend no more than $400 and the other 0.5 % go above that.

The NORM for PC gamers is not the high end, super powered video card, the norm is the default onboard or low cost cards.
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so is it not really a question of what is more powerful, They are just both different?
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This is an asinine statement. AMD APUs will run poorly as well.
    
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I wish there was a world with GPUs made by Nvidia, but the attitude towards gaming from AMD.
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Newsflash, Amd it'll struggle on APUs too.
This is true, iGP systems will not outperform systems with discrete graphics.
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the i7-4950hq is just as relevant to this discussion as the 3930k+ is relevant to who has the fastest CPU's.

You're asking who has the best!

Intel (best CPU)
Nvidia (best GPU)
Intel (best CPGPU)

"Oh but the PS4 is an APU and the GPU will kill it!!!" Well...the 4950hq also just happens to come with the fastest CPU released in this last year, including anything and everything from AMD. (don't bring server chips into this....) You can't applaud your GPU performance if it can't play in CPU limited games.
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the i7-4950hq is just as relevant to this discussion as the 3930k+ is relevant to who has the fastest CPU's.

You're asking who has the best!

Intel (best CPU)
Nvidia (best GPU)
Intel (best CPGPU)

"Oh but the PS4 is an APU and the GPU will kill it!!!" Well...the 4950hq also just happens to come with the fastest CPU released in this last year, including anything and everything from AMD. (don't bring server chips into this....) You can't applaud your GPU performance if it can't play in CPU limited games.

You mean the poorly programmed single-threaded games that are going to be history in another year. AMD has the hottest games coming out and when the console games are ported to pc they will kick Haswells skinny-butt. You spout the same old mantras and don't see where the direction of computing is going, including software development and specifically gaming development. Of course Intel will fund some backwards jerks to produce single-threaded games but with a few exceptions they won't perform as well and will ultimately lose the interest of gamers. Keep up your sorry excuses, you are only fooling yourself.
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You mean the poorly programmed single-threaded games that are going to be history in another year. AMD has the hottest games coming out and when the console games are ported to pc they will kick Haswells skinny-butt. You spout the same old mantras and don't see where the direction of computing is going, including software development and specifically gaming development. Of course Intel will fund some backwards jerks to produce single-threaded games but with a few exceptions they won't perform as well and will ultimately lose the interest of gamers. Keep up your sorry excuses, you are only fooling yourself.

I'm starting to think the guy spends half his day in AMD threads trolling around. Got to the point just seeing his username and avi gets me annoyed. Wouldn't be so bad if the guy wasn't spouting brand bias BS all over the place. Some unknowledgeable member could read some of his comments and think he knows what he's talking about. Thank god for an iggy list.

Anyone who cannot see the implications this has for PC games and possibly general software aren't doing enough reading and research. The chances of this not helping AMD are very small.

But hey, I forgot. AMD = Always bad. Intel = Always good.

And too bad AMD forced Intel to make Haswell bad right guys? Sick of seeing that pathetic excuse being thrown around so much to defend Intel. Intel did this themselves, with illegal business practices. All because they are too afraid to have to actually compete fair and square. And considering the tech coming from each camp vs the R&D/Operational budget of each company, I can see why. Intel needs AMD to stick around, but they can't let them get too much market, cause AMD will then have enough money in the war chest to bring some heat.

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It's pretty easy to throw around Bias statements. But it has no bearing on the real convo here. The simple fact is, AMD has the consoles locked down. Consoles will be running x86 chips which will make porting easier. AMD has 8 core chips in the consoles, so 8 core support will be pretty normal/easy for new console ports. Guess who has a massive edge in price/performance in multithreaded CPU's right now? If you can't see the obvious, either read more or take off the brand loyalty badge.
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You mean the poorly programmed single-threaded games that are going to be history in another year. AMD has the hottest games coming out and when the console games are ported to pc they will kick Haswells skinny-butt. You spout the same old mantras and don't see where the direction of computing is going, including software development and specifically gaming development. Of course Intel will fund some backwards jerks to produce single-threaded games but with a few exceptions they won't perform as well and will ultimately lose the interest of gamers. Keep up your sorry excuses, you are only fooling yourself.
...Intel has spent more money on programs to teach and encourage multi-thread than AMD for the last 5+ years. Intel greatly benefits from more parallel code since they own the CPU market.

FPS game development is inherently lightly threaded due to real-time input from the user. Other game genres like RTS are heavily threaded due to AI.

AMD and Intel using x86 are pretty standardized... most of the porting differences will be in the video and memory subsystems, not CPU.
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I also feel that any "next-gen" game is going to struggle on any Igp.

Pretty much every person I know who has a console will buy a game for that console for that reason. It plays and looks better on the console. Only exceptions being pc-only titles like source or wow.

But good for amd. They need an advantage somewhere.
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