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But none of this matters because the IGPs come with the CPUs that they were tested with. Anyways, with a difference of over 30%, yes it is extremely reasonable to assume that the HD5200 is the faster IGP.

Fourth time in a row you say this.

Even if it is the fastest IGP, which no one is denying, what is the point of it, when the cheapest processor with it included costs more than 2X AMD's alternative.

It's like saying that the HD7970 is not relevant at all because the Titan is faster. Sure, it is 1.4X a HD7970, but the price is 3X, too.
   
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But none of this matters because the IGPs come with the CPUs that they were tested with. Anyways, with a difference of over 30%, yes it is extremely reasonable to assume that the HD5200 is the faster IGP.

It's like saying that theoretically it's possible that the Titan is 35% faster than the 7970GHz because of the 3GB of extra memory. It's possible in theory but there's absolutely no proof to support the conclusion. Quite the opposite actually. Arguing that the CPU will make a 35% difference in GPU bound games is pretty much the same thing.
No we can't.... All tests of the HD5200 show it as around 30% faster than the A10-5800K.

It isn't just the CPUs, there are also chipsets, ram etc. When the iris slighty beats a 6570 on 2 out of 3 games (and soundly on the 3rd,admittedly)

http://techreport.com/review/24879/intel-core-i7-4770k-and-4950hq-haswell-processors-reviewed/4

,no it isn't extremely reasonable to assume it is the fastest igpu, when 7660/8670D does roughly the same (with high clocked RAM and slight o/c beats a 6670 DDR3).

For a game to be called "GPU bound", it has to perform similarly across a certain range of CPUs when tested on the SAME GPU on all of them. When we change both variables (and then some) which is the case on igpu testing, "GPU bound" condition is harder to be identified.
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Fourth time in a row you say this.

Even if it is the fastest IGP, which no one is denying, what is the point of it, when the cheapest processor with it included costs more than 2X AMD's alternative.

It's like saying that the HD7970 is not relevant at all because the Titan is faster. Sure, it is 1.4X a HD7970, but the price is 3X, too.

no one has said the 5800K is not relevant just like no one said the 7970 isn't relevant. However the TItan costing $1000 doesn't mean it's any less the fastest GPU out there.

And there's no "even if it is fastest". It is the fastest. Period. Attributing a 35% performance difference to the CPU with GPUs this weak is ridiculous.

And the point, as it has been since the first time the HD5200 was brought up in this thread was nothing more than that AMD no longer has the fastest IGP. That's all. It doesn't carry any other meanings.

As I've stated the market is higher end devices with TDP and form factor restrictions.
 
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But none of this matters because the IGPs come with the CPUs that they were tested with. Anyways, with a difference of over 30%, yes it is extremely reasonable to assume that the HD5200 is the faster IGP.

It's like saying that theoretically it's possible that the Titan is 35% faster than the 7970GHz because of the 3GB of extra memory. It's possible in theory but there's absolutely no proof to support the conclusion. Quite the opposite actually. Arguing that the CPU will make a 35% difference in GPU bound games is pretty much the same thing.
No we can't.... All tests of the HD5200 show it as around 30% faster than the A10-5800K.



Next we'll also assume that the 7970 is faster than the Titan?

Yes because it's cheaper rolleyes.gif
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no one has said the 5800K is not relevant just like no one said the 7970 isn't relevant. However the TItan costing $1000 doesn't mean it's any less the fastest GPU out there.

And there's no "even if it is fastest". It is the fastest. Period. Attributing a 35% performance difference to the CPU with GPUs this weak is ridiculous.

And the point, as it has been since the first time the HD5200 was brought up in this thread was nothing more than that AMD no longer has the fastest IGP. That's all. It doesn't carry any other meanings.

As I've stated the market is higher end devices with TDP and form factor restrictions.

Then we shall stop comparing them like 'OMG AMD is doomed', shall we? thumb.gif
   
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Then we shall stop comparing them like 'OMG AMD is doomed', shall we? thumb.gif

suggesting that intel has the fastest IGP is pretty far from saying AMD is doomed....
 
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suggesting that intel has the fastest IGP is pretty far from saying AMD is doomed....

Some people dont get it they dont have the same common sense like you or me or arkikbot.Most of the guys will say there is no point to get amd APU like one guy told me that 400 euro difference is not a big deal. We know what you talk about but there is people that understand your post with some other logic or dunno.
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So the HD5200 is for desktop then?
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That would be the 4900HQ if I'm correct the one you named has 4600 graphics.
The charts posted where with the 5800K instead of the 6800K so there might be a few fps in that also the slower memory explains a bit and the slower cpu also does.
I think we can asume that the 6800K APU is at fast or faster than the 5200 iris pro especailly if it would have faster ram.

http://techreport.com/r.x/core-i7-4770k/power-peak.png
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there's a small difference in the 5800k and 6800k. The biggest difference you'll find is actually in the price increase...

but even if you were boost the 5800k's performance by 20%, which the 6800k doesn't....you'd still be a bit behind

Oh, and never mind that the 4950hq uses like 50-60% the amount of power as a 6800k

Not sure why everybody just can't accept that AMD's APU's aren't a gift from god.
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I think its you that have hard time accepting AMD improvements. tiredsmiley.gif
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