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Nothing wrong with it, Ive been using a 32inch 1080p screen for years, moves are obviously great and games are awesome as well, ill be looking at getting a 4K monitor or TV to replace this setup, not interested in getting a physically smaller screen, 27inch is too small for me, even with a higher resolution.
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I don't believe for a second that the VT25 doesn't do it. I think you're just not the kind of person who sees it, like all the people who never notice the scan-out warping on standard computer monitors. If the V20 did it, and the VT25 and UT50 didn't do it, it might make sense - the T models are the 3D TVs with faster phosphors. But if the UT50 does it and so does the VT50, so I guarantee you the VT25 does as well.

Interesting that you say the VT25 can reproduce 4:4:4 properly when neither the VT20, nor the VT30 did...

Hmmm... ok. Maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing. Can you show me where both the TVs do not. I'm not questioning it... I could be very well wrong. I just know that when I do the belle nuit test, I have a single pixel line. That's what I've gone off of.

I might not be the type of person who notices the lagging behind then... how would I even test for it? thinking.gif

I'll be switching to a VT60 at some point soon and I know 100% that they have 4:4:4 support, Iv'e seen tests done on it... I've never found other tests by people on the VT20 or VT25 though.

Edit: Honestly... thinking about it more... that might even be the issue that I feel I have with many games. Where things feel like they stutter... I've always blamed my crossfire set up and microstutter, but that might be how I'm experiencing the effect. thinking.gif
Edited by Derko1 - 6/7/13 at 7:28pm
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Hmmm... ok. Maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing. Can you show me where both the TVs do not. I'm not questioning it... I could be very well wrong. I just know that when I do the belle nuit test, I have a single pixel line. That's what I've gone off of.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt20b-tx-p50vt20-20100520694.htm

"Full 4:4:4 reproduction: No, 4:4:4 input subsampled"

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt30b-p50vt30-201106061171.htm

"Full 4:4:4 reproduction (PC): No, 4:4:4 input subsampled"
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I'll be switching to a VT60 at some point soon and I know 100% that they have 4:4:4 support, Iv'e seen tests done on it...

Yes, I believe the VT50 does YCbCr 4:4:4 (but not RGB), so the VT60 should too.

If I was you I'd be very careful about buying a VT60. I haven't researched it, but I can tell you that the 50 series was full of bugs and Panasonic no longer understands the concept of quality control. The whole range suffered from vertical banding and DSE issues (amongst other things) and the QC trend for Panasonic seems to be downhill every year.
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I might not be the type of person who notices the lagging behind then... how would I even test for it?

Edit: Honestly... thinking about it more... that might even be the issue that I feel I have with many games. Where things feel like they stutter... I've always blamed my crossfire set up and microstutter, but that might be how I'm experiencing the effect.

It's not the kind of thing that could be interpreted as microstutter. It's just distortion/warping. I see it very easily, but I don't suppose everyone else does. As I said it's like the scan-out warping that happens on monitors. Almost everyone can see it if I point it out to them (show then a window being dragged on the desktop, and they can see that it becomes a parallelogram when moving fast horizontally), but most of them would never notice this in a game. But I personally notice it all the time (another reason why I like 120Hz monitors - faster scan-out, less warp). The Plasma thing is probably the same deal. if it doesn't bother you, then don't worry about it.
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Why don't more people PC game on their HD plasma TVs? Is there something wrong with that, like can it damage your PC or something?

This morning my brother wanted to watch a cricket game from ESPN on the big screen so I decided to use my PS3 HD Cabel and hook my PC up so he can watch it. Started playing some BF3 before the game starts and man I was impressed. My monitor is 1600x900, but the TV is 42inch and runs at 1920 x 1080. My it's the sweetest graphics I've seen in my life and I'm just running an i5 2500k and GTX 660. I need to do this more often. But why don't more people do it?

I recorded a quick test with fraps also while I was gaming on the TV:


They do! That's why Valve added "Big Picture" to steam.
Edited by cdoublejj - 6/7/13 at 8:40pm
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I would have to put a desk and chair directly infront of my sofa, and then move it back after I'm done.

Why would I do that just to see less detail?
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I've gamed on tv's before but now that I have a surround setup, I find surround far more immersive.
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Panasonic LED TV here. Definately input lag on it. Monitor is way more responsive.

Had my share too, but using the VGA removed all post-processing, which removed input lag for me.
   
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http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt20b-tx-p50vt20-20100520694.htm

"Full 4:4:4 reproduction: No, 4:4:4 input subsampled"

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt30b-p50vt30-201106061171.htm

"Full 4:4:4 reproduction (PC): No, 4:4:4 input subsampled"
Yes, I believe the VT50 does YCbCr 4:4:4 (but not RGB), so the VT60 should too.

If I was you I'd be very careful about buying a VT60. I haven't researched it, but I can tell you that the 50 series was full of bugs and Panasonic no longer understands the concept of quality control. The whole range suffered from vertical banding and DSE issues (amongst other things) and the QC trend for Panasonic seems to be downhill every year.
It's not the kind of thing that could be interpreted as microstutter. It's just distortion/warping. I see it very easily, but I don't suppose everyone else does. As I said it's like the scan-out warping that happens on monitors. Almost everyone can see it if I point it out to them (show then a window being dragged on the desktop, and they can see that it becomes a parallelogram when moving fast horizontally), but most of them would never notice this in a game. But I personally notice it all the time (another reason why I like 120Hz monitors - faster scan-out, less warp). The Plasma thing is probably the same deal. if it doesn't bother you, then don't worry about it.

Ah! I think I've been totally wrong all these years then frown.gif ... and last night I tried looking for the "warping" and I barely noticed it. I was trying it with FEAR 3 and in the dark sections it seems like it drags behind. I then pumped the contrast to the extreme in SweetFX and it's super noticeable between the bright and dark areas.... it's like a left behind effect that makes the image look wobbly.

With that said, I tried a few other dark games and while it's here and there in different places... it's not in your face all the time. I think depending on the game it's more noticeable too. Like Dead Space, even though it's pretty dark, it's almost none existent. Then any game that doesn't have huge chunks of dark areas, I could not see it at all.

Oh well... I really gotta do my research for the next one. I think that the issues, if they are to the same extent as mine, then they are barely noticeable, at least to me, so I think I'd still have to suggest higher end plasmas. It's just a trade of going from a 24in screen to a 65in one. Then LCD/LED are WAYYYYY worst, with the ghosting effects and plus the image quality is still dragging behind plasmas by quite a bit.

Again, thanks for the info man! thumb.gif
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I connected my machine to my HD3D TV (LG) and Catalyst was being stupid because the Scaleing was messed up completely. (The Flatscreen Scaling feature to make the screen bigger)
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The only reason I don't game on the TV is because I can't sit upright to control the keyboard and mouse. It's either gotta be on my lap or I have to be hunched over the coffee table and I can't play like that. I do play the occasional game of dirt, grid and (very rarely) fifa, because I prefer using a controller for those anyway. Sometimes even GTA
I forgot to mention; I have seen a certain type of coffee table that fixes this problem perfectly. Basically, the front end of the coffee table rises up towards you in a "desk" sort of format, so that you can comfortably sit back and use a keyboard and mouse. When you're done, you fold it forward so it can once again be used for drinks as everyone watches a movie. I asked its owner, and he said that he got it practically free from someone else; but someday I'm going to figure out where you can get a table like that, and what they're called.
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