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Even since i had a 2500K @ 4.8GHz i have been waiting for Intel to increase that 4.5GHz wall and make 5GHz the new easy to get target and they have failed 2 times and not only that they have dropped the wall.
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If I do recall, Intel's previous habit of attempting to not cannibalize their i3 sales with the Cerelons, Pentiums, and Atoms didn't exactly pay off in the mobile market.

By making Haswell not worth purchasing and stating that there won't be anything new until 2015, informed customers will simply hold onto their IB, SB, Nehalem, and even Core 2 until then.

Yes, this only works for so long, but until AMD has Steamroller based FX chips on the market they really don't need to do much more. People who really do need to buy desktop PCs, will have to buy them, they must have taken into account the lesser demand on desktop into their risk assessment, it's mobile they are really aiming for, and in that regard they even have an excuse for lack of overclockability as that is not their main focus for this architecture..

Of course, as I started by saying, their strategy of holding off making performance improvements on the desktop can only work for so long. Perhaps Broadwell will bring a surprise. By now they have done most of the integration they should, along with a decent base level GPU with all the current feature sets you'd expect from a GPU; on the desktop they only have the Southbridge left to integrate but it's debatable whether that makes sense, so from then on and with Steamroller and then Exacavator to compete against, they will have to focus again on performance.
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I have had plans to enjoy my 3770k for a number years anyway. I hope for those that needed this generation, that the numbers get better, or even more so, that AMD is able to muster up a little more muscle too...

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AMD has a very good chance with Steamroller then, to play catch up... AMD may take the higher end segment.

Intel can keep the highest end segment, but play ball for entry level. Still... the 4770k is a lot less appealing than it sounded at first tongue.gif
    
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I guess bad news for me? My buddy is going to MicroCenter and he's gnabbing the 3770k which leaves me with the 4770k. Is it just better to go with the 3570k?
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Should you go with the "newer" Ivy Bridge CPUs instead? I have this Q6600 and I am starting to notice it having to use more and more of the CPU to do simple things like watch HD flash videos and online video. I think it's finally starting to show its age.

I'm looking for benchmarks for Sandy vs. Ivy vs. Haswell using reasonable overclocks that a normal user would obtain.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/haswell-4770k-vs-ivy-bridge-4770k-4-6ghz/32838.html

The results seems to indicate that Haswell is indeed slightly faster than Ivy at the same clock speed of 4.6 Ghz. Now can either one be overclocked higher?
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We’re looking at around 200MHz lower clocks than the equivalent overclocked Ivy Bridge chips, even using decent water-cooling CPU blocks.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/06/might-haswell-upgrade-your-cpu-not-for-your-desktop-rig/

Disappointing news.
Edited by aweir - 6/7/13 at 6:21pm
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better luck next time intel
    
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My 4770k does 4.5 @1.18v with a max temp under intelburntest of ~68c on my silver arrow SE (yes, SE, with fans capped at 1.2k rpm) No delid.

I've seen reports a lot of stuff like h100i, 1.2-1.25v, 90-100c. But results seem to vary a LOT
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You disappoint me Intel, I bet if they simply spent more money on the TIM it would run cooler and clock better. On the other hand I hope AMD comes up with something good so I can continue - without buyer's remorse - my tradition of alternating between the two brands.
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I guess bad news for me? My buddy is going to MicroCenter and he's gnabbing the 3770k which leaves me with the 4770k. Is it just better to go with the 3570k?

If the 3750K's price dropped low enough, and you want to do heavy OCing, then maybe.
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