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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

Some resellers sell pre-overclocked systems.
So they committed a fellony by claiming they would sell systems which can't be made reliably from current components, and which are violating manufacturer's specifications.

While these systems worked on Sandy, Intel wants to tighten manufacturing tolerances, to be competitive with improved AMD, and these systems will not be possible to manufacture anymore.
You would run these system near ocean, or in hot and wet environment and bad stuff happens.

The worst stuff would be users would expect be able to buy these systems and manufacturing tolerances will not allow them with newer technology. So what would happen? Well they can try to bin chips, but what would happen with these low binned chips? Overclocking was about a chance to get a great chip cheaply. Now with low binned chips there will not be great cheap chips. Well grabbing an Atom and use a fan for peanuts like Noctua to cool LARGE BGA heatsink would be fun too, and perhaps we would get even 2x overclock, and it would be MUCH cheaper than to get these high binned chips, which might fail after few years.
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You do understand that we are talking about K series processors that are advertised as being unlocked and be able to be overclocked. Otherwise this whole website wouldn't make sense if everyone was to be expected to run every piece of hardware at stock speeds.

Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk 2

Well. Overclocking is supposed to happen on user's personal risk and with user's personal effort. Intel is just selling CPU which are lacking some features, and have unlocked multiplier to allow more fine tuning to fit better into environment user wants to run them in. While nothing prevents user to run them on higher clocks, it's always user's responsibility and he's doing it on his own risk. (Thought Intel is providing some insurance plan, for overclocking accidents.)

BTW are you aware your reader is adding a sentence to your post?
post #102 of 232
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Originally Posted by Raghar View Post

So they committed a fellony by claiming they would sell systems which can't be made reliably from current components, and which are violating manufacturer's specifications.

While these systems worked on Sandy, Intel wants to tighten manufacturing tolerances, to be competitive with improved AMD, and these systems will not be possible to manufacture anymore.
You would run these system near ocean, or in hot and wet environment and bad stuff happens.

It's not a felony as long as you acknowledge that the CPU's warranty is voided, and thus you have to cover it with your own warranty policy if you're going to sell it to customers.

If the CPUs are cooked, you have to replace them by yourself for the customers.
post #103 of 232
Oh boy... Haswell is a joke.

AMD has now a chance to be really close to Intel and even surpass it at some point, something is fishy about Intel as always. Sending ES that are as always superior to ordinary retail. I never imagined that Intel will ever drop the ball since Netburst disaster that is far worser than AMD's Bulldozer "flop".

Steamroller will have 15-20% improvements in IPC compared to Haswell that has 0-5% if improvements, the gap is smaler and smaller between AMD and Intel even thought I hope AMD could somehow achieve 25-30% improvements in IPC since Bulldozet/Piledriver has so many spots/places to be tweaked and improved.

FX 8550 Steamroller will beat i7 3770k in most or if not all multi-threaded tasks.
post #104 of 232
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Oh boy... Haswell is a joke.

AMD has now a chance to be really close to Intel and even surpass it at some point, something is fishy about Intel as always. Sending ES that are as always superior to ordinary retail. I never imagined that Intel will ever drop the ball since Netburst disaster that is far worser than AMD's Bulldozer "flop".

Steamroller will have 15-20% improvements in IPC compared to Haswell that has 0-5% if improvements, the gap is smaler and smaller between AMD and Intel even thought I hope AMD could somehow achieve 25-30% improvements in IPC since Bulldozet/Piledriver has so many spots/places to be tweaked and improved.

FX 8550 Steamroller will beat i7 3770k in most or if not all multi-threaded tasks.

Yeah haswell is a total joke rolleyes.gif

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Yeah haswell is a total joke rolleyes.gif

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And while it would be nice for steamroller to beat ivy lets just wait for the reviews

Have you read the first post?

It says haswell is slower and hotter than expected. It isn't a flop but if intel was in the AMD's situation (read: not the leader) we could consider it being a flop.
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Yeah haswell is a total joke rolleyes.gif

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And while it would be nice for steamroller to beat ivy lets just wait for the reviews

So you won the silicon lottery.

I had a friend who had to use 1.45V to get to 4 GHz on his i5 2500k, with a decent water cooling setup and mobo. He got rid of it as soon as IB came out.
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So they committed a fellony by claiming they would sell systems which can't be made reliably from current components, and which are violating manufacturer's specifications.=
It's not a felony to sell systems that have had their Intel warranty voided. They could either sell it as is or just replace the CPU out of their own pocket if it fails, which is extremely rare.
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Yeah haswell is a total joke rolleyes.gif

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Is it 24 hour prime95 stable?
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So you won the silicon lottery.

I had a friend who had to use 1.45V to get to 4 GHz on his i5 2500k, with a decent water cooling setup and mobo. He got rid of it as soon as IB came out.

This is in no way a good chip. I'm just an above average overclocker who uses good cooling.

My fastest cinebench run with my 4.8Ghz 3770K was 9.6x. Now im over 10 at 4.6Ghz with haswell. How is this chip bad?
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By making Haswell not worth purchasing and stating that there won't be anything new until 2015, informed customers will simply hold onto their IB, SB, Nehalem, and even Core 2 until then.

Or hopefully, AMD will come out with a competitive high-end product for the first time in forever, and make Intel release something other than another re-hash of the same stuff they've been running out for the last four years. I suspect they're sitting on something much better than Haswell (and if they're not, they should wonder what they're paying their design teams for the last few years), but they're not going to produce it until someone makes them.

Come on AMD...make Steamroller a winner.
     
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And here I sit with my 970 Nahalem with absolutely no incentive to upgrade..../sigh



Here's to Skylake being impressive....

The only reason I went to IB from my 930 was x58's lack of sata3. I had a board with a Marvell controller, and it was an absolute joke.

If they had put sata3 on x58 natively, I would have kept it a lot longer. The lack of ITX might have forced a change at some point.
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