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They didn't. If someone is overclocking & reaches thermal limits but wants to overclock higher, delidding is an option. Cooling capacity can also be increased as another option.

Intel is lowering the thermal limits of their processors by creating a processor package design that is prone to overheating.

The TIM issue artificially limits overclocking (without deliding) by decreasing thermal headroom, so Intel is not keeping enthusiasts' best interests in mind.
Furthermore, this issue should not require drastic measures on the part of the end user like deliding or expensive water cooling solutions to remedy.
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TIM doesn't have the same thermal conductivity that a solder made for thermal conductivity would. THink of it this way, take some tim put it on your CPU, take a 1mm thick pieces of aluminum and place it on top, then take more tim on that and then put your heatsink on, do you think your temperature would be better than if you just soldered the piece of aluminum to the heatsink?

The SB fluxless solder was a great thermal solution. It will always have superior thermal conductivity when compared against most any TIM.
We enthusiasts will never know the exact truth as to why Intel switched from solder to TIM in the first place.

My final point about IB/Haswell's tendency to overheat is this:
At best, Intel is unnecessarily exacerbating a problem that shouldn't even be this severe to begin with.
At worst, Intel is willfully creating a problem that shouldn't even exist in the first place.


Whatever the reason, I AM NOT letting Intel off the hook for their poor thermal management design decisions.
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Intel is lowering the thermal limits of their processors by creating a processor package design that is prone to overheating.

The TIM issue artificially limits overclocking (without deliding) by decreasing thermal headroom, so Intel is not keeping enthusiasts' best interests in mind.
Furthermore, this issue should not require drastic measures on the part of the end user like deliding or expensive water cooling solutions to remedy.
The SB fluxless solder was a great thermal solution. It will always have superior thermal conductivity when compared against most any TIM.
We enthusiasts will never know the exact truth as to why Intel switched from solder to TIM in the first place.

My final point about IB/Haswell's tendency to overheat is this:
At best, Intel is unnecessarily exacerbating a problem that shouldn't even be this severe to begin with.
At worst, Intel is willfully creating a problem that shouldn't even exist in the first place.


Whatever the reason, I AM NOT letting Intel off the hook for their poor thermal management design decisions.

Solder would still be nicer, & although I do have a delidded 3770k, my 3770ks that are not delidded are still capable of well over 5Ghz stability testing, & 6ghz benchmarking. Same for haswell, I have only stability tested at 5ghz so far with IBT & gone to 5600Mhz for benching, but the 4770k didn't need delidding to do it.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, the cpus could run cooler if intel made some changes. Solder instead of TIM, better IHS design, less gap from the black goop, etc.
I'm just making the point that as overclocking enthusiasts, if higher overclocks are important to someone, they can be done. Not everyone wants to spend more $ to do it, & the solutions aren't always practical, quiet, or space saving enough for everyone, but options are there.
    
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