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They're doing that to make their CPUs worse artificially until there's some real competition going on so that will be one more reason to upgrade later for consumers. I bet that mobile chips don't have those crap temps.

Actually, I bet the mobile chips will have crap temperatures if you crank them to 4.2 GHz (although a bit less because there's no thermal paste and heat spreader between the die package and heatsink).

Intel doesn't seem interested in the desktop market. They're the king of the hill, AMD has no answers until 6-12 months from now when they release FX Steamroller, so why turn the attention to the hot mobile field?
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I guess all this really boils down to is making IB-E the more attractive upgrade path to current 1155/1156 owners, though in most cases the diminishing returns in performance per dollar won't be worth it for most. Every time I try to justify the X79 jump I'm left with cold feet as the 3770k does everything I need damn well enough, considering I have built the rest of my system in a very targeted manner (photo editing).
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I have had plans to enjoy my 3770k for a number years anyway. I hope for those that needed this generation, that the numbers get better, or even more so, that AMD is able to muster up a little more muscle too...

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Glad I went FX 8350 now.. I was thinking about a haswell build. I feel no need to now
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I'm glad I didn't spend the extra cash on Haswell. I'm quite liking my 3570K, reminds me of a tad bit hotter than my old 2500K tongue.gif

Hopefully we can see something more promising from Intel in the coming months, and even from AMD.
 
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Are there any immediate advantages to having the new instruction sets? (AVX2, FMA3)
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They're doing that to make their CPUs worse artificially until there's some real competition going on so that will be one more reason to upgrade later for consumers. I bet that mobile chips don't have those crap temps.

Sure.. Because losing sales instead of gaining sales is a wise business plan. Intel doesnt worry about having a monopoly, because the government could never split a company with 1 core product that is comprised of R&D and marketing. Its not possible to split the company. The only thing that would happen would be allowing competitiors into x86, and no company would want to start fresh vs a company that has half a century of patents and R&D.

Intel is at the end of the life of Core I, hence why we saw great improvements early on, and then a couple percent increase and a bigger IGP. Its not because of competition, its because the arc is at its end. 2015/16 intel will release a new arc, until then expect worthless 'upgrades'.
The only improvements that will be made till then are in their atom chips.

In the mean time AMD will be catching up with its ~20% performance increase per year as bulldozer arc is brand new.
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Say goodbye to your warranty if you decide to delid.
How often do CPU RMAs actually happen?
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This makes my "free" 2600k and motherboard look like an absolute steal, and I'll definitely get my money's worth out of it.
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Are there any immediate advantages to having the new instruction sets? (AVX2, FMA3)

I'd say those will take around 4-8 years. AutoCAD started requiring SSE2 compatibility back in 2009. That instruction set was first introduced back in 2001 with the Pentium 4s. I'd be amazed if a company required their engineers to continue drafting 3D designs using Pentium 3 computers up until 2009.

EDIT: And there are some software that are written in old-school style. Skyrim and CPU PhysX mainly uses x87, despite the fact that the superior performing SSE was introduced back in 1999.
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SB launch was the day the competition was defeated, it was also the day real progress in CPU's ended.
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