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Is there a truly discernible difference between 192KB and Lossless? At what grade of equipment is that point?

post #1 of 12
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There are tons of people who claim to be able to tell the difference between high quality and lossless music files, but is this a reality or do they simply perceive a difference that isn't there? There are many accounts musicians have given stating any difference is negligible, but to the most zealous of audiophiles, what do you think?

The reason I ask is I'm interested in OCN's users' views on the matter, and also because I may or may not include a feature in a website I'm working on that would allow downloading lossless music files.
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Well I can tell the difference between 192KB (not VBR) and lossless on my setup in the signature, both on headphones and speakers.
It also depends on the type of music being played and on the recording quality itself, for example, something recorded in 80s and 90s sound better from a CD or a proper ripped FLAC than 192kbps mp3, todays music not so much though.
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Well I can tell the difference between 192KB (not VBR) and lossless on my setup in the signature, both on headphones and speakers.
It also depends on the type of music being played and on the recording quality itself, for example, something recorded in 80s and 90s sound better from a CD or a proper ripped FLAC than 192kbps mp3, todays music not so much though.

I should have mentioned I meant 192kbps VBR. (Is this standard in bits or bytes, by the way? Can't find an answer and don't know how to go about figuring it out myself)

The type of music is going to be a very wide array, from classical to pop. Most of it will not have been recorded in the 80s or 90s I'd wager as well.
post #4 of 12
Its all in bits.

Whether or not there's a difference between 192k and lossless depends entirely on the what is being encoded. If the music has a lot of noisy things in it, like rain, applause, cymbals, hi-hats, etc, the difference between the two gets noticeable very quickly. If its all just a sine or square wave then no, there's literally no difference.

It doesn't really matter much what you are using to listen to the music unless its really crappy, to be honest.
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I know some guys are able to notice a difference, others not. It requires strong concentration.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mybeat View Post

Well I can tell the difference between 192KB (not VBR) and lossless on my setup in the signature, both on headphones and speakers.
It also depends on the type of music being played and on the recording quality itself, for example, something recorded in 80s and 90s sound better from a CD or a proper ripped FLAC than 192kbps mp3, todays music not so much though.

^This.

Recording Quality, and the equipment/circuitry you use to play the audio make all the difference. Not to mention having a trained ear for these sort of things. I would also agree that lossless digital music brings out tremendous detail when listening to concerts and symphonies, but not so much when listening to Soulja Boy--if anything, making him sound worse. For me, the quality differences are easily recognizable with a Fiio E7 paired with an Audio Technica M50.
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post #7 of 12
same quality song, ripped in 192k, 320k, and lossless, I can tell the 192k from the other two but not always the 320 from the lossless. After quality of original recording, it depends on your setup. The bass is one place where the difference can be obvious, but it wont be if you dont have a setup with a decent sub (or headphones that can articulate bass).

If you are listening to music on logitech, creative, or bose speakers, rip in 320, or even 192. it doesnt really matter.

if you are listening on martin logan planars with a sub, or JBL LSR43XX series monitors, rip in 320 or lossless.

I have started ripping everything in 320 for my girlfriend. its just a good middle of the road quality rip.
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There is no answer to this. It really comes down to each individual's ears and many times even then just knowing something is lossless or not makes it seem to sound better. Just do some listening tests, best of all are blind listening tests. Then you'll find out for yourself if you can reliably tell the difference.
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Yes, there is a difference between all of the bitrate levels. You can look at pretty much any transcode image of the waveform and see the difference between the bitrates. Lossy bitrates basically add a high/low filter on your songs in order to keep the sizes low, whereas losless is a bit by bit rip of the actual CD. One literally and physically has more data. Whether or not you can hear the difference is up to your ears and your equipment.
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I know I can't tell a difference even from 128kb and lossless. Not everyone is as sensitive to it I guess. Same thing with fps for me, I can't see a difference above 40fps. Everyone is different though. To me it's little more than a gimmick, but I have a friend who swears by it and complains when she comes over to my place and hears my mp3s playing.

To cover bases I would go ahead and do the lossless stuff on your website. A fair number of people will notice it I'm guessing.
Edited by Tadaen Sylvermane - 6/10/13 at 12:48pm
 
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