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I agree all the games you listed are good examples of great games. I think the OP however has a point in regard to big series games just not delivering.

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The more I think about what you are all saying, the more I realize I'm being dazzled by the new GFX!
And in fact, as I look through my games list. I can see how I played the Original games much longer than the subsequent releases of the game series redface.gif
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some are getting better and others are getting worse i suppose

imo? its all kinda the same crap over and over. tomb raider is good but its just a good single player game, i personally feel multiplayer games are the prime example of stagnation and specifically MMO and FPS. wow, rift, guild wars 2 and so forth are just awful awful games and CoD imo is just the same fps with new "levels" and guns.

i find most games these days uninspired.
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some are getting better and others are getting worse i suppose

imo? its all kinda the same crap over and over. tomb raider is good but its just a good single player game, i personally feel multiplayer games are the prime example of stagnation and specifically MMO and FPS. wow, rift, guild wars 2 and so forth are just awful awful games and CoD imo is just the same fps with new "levels" and guns.

i find most games these days uninspired.

DOOD WHATZ UR PROBLEM WIF CALL OF DUTYY IT R TEH BEST AND TEH NEW 1 R SO 1337 CAUSE DERS A DOG IN IT!!!1 In my opinion, you're giving Call of Duty too much credit. Ever since CoD 4, it's been the exact same game with different skins on the guns. Oh, you like the MP40 (W@W)? Well, in MW2, it's now the UMP45! (aside: in W@W, how come the 9mm SMG is the most powerful in the game and the .45ACP SMG is exactly the same as the 8mm SMG sans reload times and magazine size?) Mass Effect was good if you take away 3's ending and disc-locked content (which, spoilers, is included for free on the Wii U port) but that's more because of EA being greedy. Starcraft II is awesome from what I've heard and I've been meaning to get a copy. What I find sad is that Halo is trying to emulate Call of Duty. What was the flagship game for Microsoft's venture into the console world became Call of Duty: space edition with Halo 4. I liked Loadouts in Reach, but classes in 4 is too far. According to some leaks, Battlefield 4 has in-game currency that might be buyable with real money (again, EA). Don't worry about it too much though. Right now, companies are trying to appeal to the bro-gamer demographic. Why else would Microsoft make an EXCLUSIVE DEAL!! with the NFL? AAA titles may be the same trite crap every year, but as long as Indie devs keep being awesome, we should be fine.

EDIT: Oh my goodness. I just watched the first look gameplay thing for CoD Ghosts. It's a sniper mission where you have to: kill two guards at once, evade patrol, destroy/kill a target with just one shot, and you only have your CO with you. They've been doing this since CoD 4, except now it's underwater. Whoop-dee-frickin'-doo.
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Not even better than Oblivion on the same engine. *fixt*

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I was simply correcting your statement. You said Skyrim was a little better than Oblivion. If you meant visually sure ok. If you meant overall game meat.....it pales in comparison to Oblvion. Then again Oblivion pales in content and meat in contrast to Morrowind. Guess it was meant to happen.
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I was simply correcting your statement. You said Skyrim was a little better than Oblivion. If you meant visually sure ok. If you meant overall game meat.....it pales in comparison to Oblvion. Then again Oblivion pales in content and meat in contrast to Morrowind. Guess it was meant to happen.

Well the OP stated that Skyrim is a "little better than Oblivion", I was merely discussing the engine. All of Oblivion's clunkiness is gone, and with mods Skyrim is one of the best looking games out. Therefore there's no need to complain about the lack of a brand new, scratch-written engine which for some reason is expected by every PC gamer (though they don't complain about Frostbite 2). It is however reasonable to complain about Skyrim's engine in general, such as the necessity for a 60 FPS cap, poor CPU usage, etc.

But as for Oblivion vs Skyrim (a discussion that actually fits well into this thread), both are open world RPGs but Oblivion extended its focus to the main quest and story. Skyrim is just purely focused on open world exploration, and in this regard it is better than Oblivion in every way. There's more variety in the world design, much more detail, more locations, Oblivion has more wide open emptiness, Oblivion pales in this comparison. Throw mods into the mix and things get better for both games, but Skyrim pulls ahead even more (mods such as Monster Mod with Lore Friendly Replacers, Frostfall, Wet and Cold, Basic Needs, etc.).

Oblivion's gameplay is also much more primitive, though it has the advantage of weapon/armor condition being a factor. Where Oblivion exceeds is in the campaign and RPG mechanics, though modded Skyrim has superior RPG mechanics to Oblivion.
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You can actually find a lot of fun games if you're willing to look outside of the mainstream. Many of them won't really tax your graphics card, either.

http://extra-credits.net/episodes/games-you-might-not-have-tried-5/

Here's the most recent episode of Extra Credits finding some cool games; I couldn't figure out an easy way to get a list of the past 4.

Oh, and be sure you download any good mods for games that interested you. As in, the "new storyline" kind, not the "new weapon" kind. If you haven't played Black Mesa for instance, do so.
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Oh, and be sure you download any good mods for games that interested you. As in, the "new storyline" kind, not the "new weapon" kind. If you haven't played Black Mesa for instance, do so.

This. I bought Half Life 1 just for mods like the Mistake series and Cry of Fear, the latter became a full game and is free on Steam. Underhell is the best example of a hidden gem, it's also a Source mod like Black Mesa.
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Well the OP stated that Skyrim is a "little better than Oblivion", I was merely discussing the engine. All of Oblivion's clunkiness is gone, and with mods Skyrim is one of the best looking games out. Therefore there's no need to complain about the lack of a brand new, scratch-written engine which for some reason is expected by every PC gamer (though they don't complain about Frostbite 2). It is however reasonable to complain about Skyrim's engine in general, such as the necessity for a 60 FPS cap, poor CPU usage, etc.

But as for Oblivion vs Skyrim (a discussion that actually fits well into this thread), both are open world RPGs but Oblivion extended its focus to the main quest and story. Skyrim is just purely focused on open world exploration, and in this regard it is better than Oblivion in every way. There's more variety in the world design, much more detail, more locations, Oblivion has more wide open emptiness, Oblivion pales in this comparison. Throw mods into the mix and things get better for both games, but Skyrim pulls ahead even more (mods such as Monster Mod with Lore Friendly Replacers, Frostfall, Wet and Cold, Basic Needs, etc.).

Oblivion's gameplay is also much more primitive, though it has the advantage of weapon/armor condition being a factor. Where Oblivion exceeds is in the campaign and RPG mechanics, though modded Skyrim has superior RPG mechanics to Oblivion.

The reason to complain is because Todd "Maiq the Liar" Howard told everyone and their grandparents that Skyrim on PC would not only feature DX11 but it would use a 'Brand New Engine".
Also sorry but if you think using the Gamebyro engine for Skyrim was fine.....you need to play more hours. Even completely unmodded the game suffers from some of the most ridiculous bugs that will never be officially fixed because well DLC money is greater than support for something they already got paid for.

The survival mechanics should be in the game on the hardest difficulty as well with no mods needed but that is just my expectation for what is deemed difficult.
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The reason to complain is because Todd "Maiq the Liar" Howard told everyone and their grandparents that Skyrim on PC would not only feature DX11 but it would use a 'Brand New Engine".
Also sorry but if you think using the Gamebyro engine for Skyrim was fine.....you need to play more hours. Even completely unmodded the game suffers from some of the most ridiculous bugs that will never be officially fixed because well DLC money is greater than support for something they already got paid for.

The survival mechanics should be in the game on the hardest difficulty as well with no mods needed but that is just my expectation for what is deemed difficult.

I have about 620 hours across 7 or 8 different characters. It isn't that buggy especially since they patched it, the worst I've had were a few broken side quests which can be bypassed with console commands. However these never occur anymore. But I can see why people are angry, if they outright lied to us about that (not that DX11 really meant anything for a 2011 game, we're only now seeing DX11 features really come into play).
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