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#1 ·
Okay guys I have been poking around for a bit asking a few questions and suggestions about upgrades vs building new pc etc. Well as it seems my dad called me yesterday and told me his pc went belly up on him. Rather then trying to fix it. I am going to give him my old rig minus a couple of parts.
Anyways let me get on with it.

I am going to be buying and ft03 case (I just love the style). I am going to need an matx board and an unlocked k series CPU. This leaves me with save a few bucks and get 3rd gen CPU or go for the 4th gen new kid on the block.
Now what I'm looking for are suggestions of of mobo and CPU.

My needs. I'm a gammer 90% of the time 10% of the time will be home theater or other things like surfing the net or writing papers.

I will be completely water cooling my system with custom loops. I also plan to buy the slot load blu ray player.
So anyways the parts I'm moving over are my ssd and one hhd tb size. Maybe my psu 850 gold Roswell psu (though I kinda want full modular psu, can you guys recomined one?). And two gtx 670 ftw to sli.

My point of this thread really is the debate on mobo and CPU combo and theory. I hear haswell gets really hot so maybe counter productive to buy with a small for factor. It's not like I get a ton rads in these little cases. So would I be better off with an older mobo and CPU.
 
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#2 ·
If you're water cooling it, heat will not be an issue. The real issue will be value for money. Haswell is brand new and therefore, will be expensive. However, it's performance inprovements over Ivy and Sandy bridge are nothing you can just overclock a Sandy bridge (which runs colder than both Ivy and Has) and reap the same rewards for. You can probably get a 2500K and a good Z77 board for much cheaper than the Z87 stuff.

That being said, I've heard a lot of people say that Haswell isn't even worth it and if you're building a new system now, and want to pay for the "new tech premium" of haswell, you should probably just pick up a 2011, and you have the upgrade path of Ivy Bridge E.
 
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How could you not go Haswell?
Well I can go whatever I want, im just getting suggestions. Haswell question is due to the heat that put out, with such a small case I don't want to run into heat issues.
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Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216 View Post

Haswell.

Why the hell if you didn't already have a LGA1155 chip not get a z87/LGA1150 build? Sounds pretty stupid to me, unless you are VERY short on cash and planned to buy super cheap used Sandy/Ivy bridge chip.
I am not sure i am following you MxPhenom? Cash isn't the issue. Performance and heat are the issue. Hints why im going w/ suggestions. I hear negative things about the Haswell chips in these small form factor pc's. So if I am going to spend more and get less performance why would I want Haswell. That is all im wondering.
 
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Originally Posted by frawressvictoly View Post

Well I can go whatever I want, im just getting suggestions. Haswell question is due to the heat that put out, with such a small case I don't want to run into heat issues.
I am not sure i am following you MxPhenom? Cash isn't the issue. Performance and heat are the issue. Hints why im going w/ suggestions. I hear negative things about the Haswell chips in these small form factor pc's. So if I am going to spend more and get less performance why would I want Haswell. That is all im wondering.
Well are you overclocking? Just got a good air cooler if you are and you shouldn't have much of a problem. Performance is better in everything then Sandy/Ivy Bridge.
 
#13 ·
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Originally Posted by All3n View Post

Haswell is more efficient, therefor less heat vs processing.
Not really, It has a higher TDP then Ivy Bridge, while consuming less power. Its hotter mainly because they have continued to use TIM between the IHS and the Haswell die, and the voltage regulator for converting power current to be used by the chip is now on the chip rather then on the motherboard. Like I said, if you are not overclocking, temperatures won't be an issue, if you are, just get a good cooler, and most small form factor cases have solid air flow.
 
#18 ·
I went from Lynnfield to Haswell and am very pleased with the difference in performance. Because the chip throttles based on the task at hand the thing hardly ever gets anywhere past warm.

I enjoy seeing it idle at 800 hah. It just sits slightly above room temp.

 
#20 ·
The heat is just a build up of what is produced, it does not directly reflect heat vs processing.

Haswell is a little more efficient then the generation before.

Efficiency is amount of data processed vs BTUs of heat produced as a byproduct, not the temperature measured at an isolated point.

I agree that the TIM causes a bottle-neck when transferring the heat from the chip to the cooler, it's just not indicative of the efficiency at a given clock speed.

I think ASrock has a mini MoBo.
 
#22 ·
2500K @ 4.8-5.0GHZ, no delidding necessary, 72C max in a ITX system cooled by a Corsair H70. This may very well be my last build if Broadwell/Skylake goes BGA.

Some may argue 2500k @ 4.8GHZ is like 3770K @ 4.4GHZ. While this may be true I'd rather not waste $400+ (CPU+Mobo) as Haswell seems to have issues overclocking much past 4.5GHZ anyway.

Save the money for a faster SSD or a RAID 0 of SSDs/GPU; this is where your day to day speed will come from.
 
#24 ·
Okay update. So my father decided he wants a micro pc. So we are going to build him a little monster. He hasn't sent me the complete build he wants. I think we are going to be doing ant ft03 but not sure on mini or norm size. Looking at the haswell i5s as he wants to game and watch blu rays.

If norm ft03 the m3 and i5 will be his weapon of choice. If mini..... Well havnt found a mobo he likes yet. He does have a theme we are going with. He is an engineer and up until retirement worked for ornl national labs. He wants a bio hazard theme build and likes the green of the m3 mobo. With some good green watercooling coolant I think he will be very happy.
As this build takes place I will start a build log for it.

For me I just dropped some money on upgrading my current build. I decided I'm going to go big or go home. Size wise that is.
I bought a corsair 900d
Another 670 ftw
And new watercooling toys to go with my new case.
Pictures coming.

I figured when I build my father his mini rig. I will build me one at the same time
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#25 ·
Even though haswell doesn't clock as high it does more per clock,so you end up at the same place really,similar performance to Ivy.
So the only other issue would be price,which isn't really an issue coz z87 boards are better value at the same price or $10 difference. I think just not being able to hit that 4.7 got to people
 
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