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Well I can go whatever I want, im just getting suggestions. Haswell question is due to the heat that put out, with such a small case I don't want to run into heat issues.
I am not sure i am following you MxPhenom? Cash isn't the issue. Performance and heat are the issue. Hints why im going w/ suggestions. I hear negative things about the Haswell chips in these small form factor pc's. So if I am going to spend more and get less performance why would I want Haswell. That is all im wondering.

Well are you overclocking? Just got a good air cooler if you are and you shouldn't have much of a problem. Performance is better in everything then Sandy/Ivy Bridge.
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post #12 of 29
Haswell is more efficient, therefor less heat vs processing.
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post #13 of 29
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Haswell is more efficient, therefor less heat vs processing.

Not really, It has a higher TDP then Ivy Bridge, while consuming less power. Its hotter mainly because they have continued to use TIM between the IHS and the Haswell die, and the voltage regulator for converting power current to be used by the chip is now on the chip rather then on the motherboard. Like I said, if you are not overclocking, temperatures won't be an issue, if you are, just get a good cooler, and most small form factor cases have solid air flow.
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a friend of mine just built his new system with a GA-Z87M-D3H, a 4670K, and an MSI 660Ti 3GB........small Lian Li PC-7FN case and using an H80.......it's summer now.....hitting around 80C in gaming @4.6GHz with 1.3v
    
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post #15 of 29
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a friend of mine just built his new system with a GA-Z87M-D3H, a 4670K, and an MSI 660Ti 3GB........small Lian Li PC-7FN case and using an H80.......it's summer now.....hitting around 80C in gaming @4.6GHz with 1.3v

Yeah see that's perfectly acceptable.
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post #16 of 29
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Interesting. Well I'm still researching. I'm going to be watercooling with a custom loop.
post #17 of 29
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Interesting. Well I'm still researching. I'm going to be watercooling with a custom loop.

Then heat will be a non issue at this point.
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post #18 of 29
I went from Lynnfield to Haswell and am very pleased with the difference in performance. Because the chip throttles based on the task at hand the thing hardly ever gets anywhere past warm.

I enjoy seeing it idle at 800 hah. It just sits slightly above room temp.


Edited by Bradeno - 6/8/13 at 11:33pm
post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 
oh nice.. I'm glad you guys are able to share some numbers.

Now if I do go w/ a newer haswell. The market for mATX seems slim. I do need to beable to sli my two gtx 670 FTW's.

I was looking at the new G1 sniper M5. Looks like it will fit the ft03.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4482#ov
Edited by frawressvictoly - 6/9/13 at 12:08am
post #20 of 29
The heat is just a build up of what is produced, it does not directly reflect heat vs processing.

Haswell is a little more efficient then the generation before.

Efficiency is amount of data processed vs BTUs of heat produced as a byproduct, not the temperature measured at an isolated point.

I agree that the TIM causes a bottle-neck when transferring the heat from the chip to the cooler, it's just not indicative of the efficiency at a given clock speed.

I think ASrock has a mini MoBo.
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