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post #21 of 29
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Yeah see that's perfectly acceptable.

 

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Then heat will be a non issue at this point.

 

...Can't tell if srs...

post #22 of 29
2500K @ 4.8-5.0GHZ, no delidding necessary, 72C max in a ITX system cooled by a Corsair H70. This may very well be my last build if Broadwell/Skylake goes BGA.

Some may argue 2500k @ 4.8GHZ is like 3770K @ 4.4GHZ. While this may be true I'd rather not waste $400+ (CPU+Mobo) as Haswell seems to have issues overclocking much past 4.5GHZ anyway.

Save the money for a faster SSD or a RAID 0 of SSDs/GPU; this is where your day to day speed will come from.
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post #23 of 29
If you go Haswell get a G1 Sniper M5. Go Z77 get a M3...
post #24 of 29
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Okay update. So my father decided he wants a micro pc. So we are going to build him a little monster. He hasn't sent me the complete build he wants. I think we are going to be doing ant ft03 but not sure on mini or norm size. Looking at the haswell i5s as he wants to game and watch blu rays.

If norm ft03 the m3 and i5 will be his weapon of choice. If mini..... Well havnt found a mobo he likes yet. He does have a theme we are going with. He is an engineer and up until retirement worked for ornl national labs. He wants a bio hazard theme build and likes the green of the m3 mobo. With some good green watercooling coolant I think he will be very happy.
As this build takes place I will start a build log for it.

For me I just dropped some money on upgrading my current build. I decided I'm going to go big or go home. Size wise that is.
I bought a corsair 900d
Another 670 ftw
And new watercooling toys to go with my new case.
Pictures coming.

I figured when I build my father his mini rig. I will build me one at the same time smile.gif
post #25 of 29
Even though haswell doesn't clock as high it does more per clock,so you end up at the same place really,similar performance to Ivy.
So the only other issue would be price,which isn't really an issue coz z87 boards are better value at the same price or $10 difference. I think just not being able to hit that 4.7 got to people
post #26 of 29
So Haswell's not that good for overclocking?
post #27 of 29
Overclocking compared to what? Overclocking is a relative term, so if a manufacturer makes a chip that runs well without overclocking, then why overclock?

How do we know Intel did not "overclock" it already?

It's all semantics.

Just decide the power you need and whether or not it suits you, not whether you can change the number on the box by a few meaningless percent, not to mention instability issues etc.

(I say meaningless because any gains are heavily offset by the problems and efforts it takes to get it.)

I say this from a practical point of view. If you get a raging clue by seeing a number on a screen change a bit or bar graphs, then hey, whatever turns your crank.
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post #28 of 29
"Not as good for overclocking" doesn't really matter.. I see tons of guys on OCN with 4.5 GHZ 3770K (Ivy) - but a 4770K (Haswell) will beat a 3770K at the same clocks. That's because clock for clock, Haswell is faster. My 4770K hit 4.4GHz with ease, I could push harder but I have no reason to, at all... Everything runs smooth as butter. A 4.4GHz Haswell is the same as a 4.6GHz+ Ivy CPU - to put things into perspective.

There will be no more chips for the 1150 socket - 1155 is brand new and will have a better upgrade path. I see no reason to stick with 1150 unless price is a major concern - don't decide based on overclocking.
post #29 of 29
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Okay guys I have been poking around for a bit asking a few questions and suggestions about upgrades vs building new pc etc. Well as it seems my dad called me yesterday and told me his pc went belly up on him. Rather then trying to fix it. I am going to give him my old rig minus a couple of parts.
Anyways let me get on with it.

I am going to be buying and ft03 case (I just love the style). I am going to need an matx board and an unlocked k series CPU. This leaves me with save a few bucks and get 3rd gen CPU or go for the 4th gen new kid on the block.
Now what I'm looking for are suggestions of of mobo and CPU.

My needs. I'm a gammer 90% of the time 10% of the time will be home theater or other things like surfing the net or writing papers.

I will be completely water cooling my system with custom loops. I also plan to buy the slot load blu ray player.
So anyways the parts I'm moving over are my ssd and one hhd tb size. Maybe my psu 850 gold Roswell psu (though I kinda want full modular psu, can you guys recomined one?). And two gtx 670 ftw to sli.

My point of this thread really is the debate on mobo and CPU combo and theory. I hear haswell gets really hot so maybe counter productive to buy with a small for factor. It's not like I get a ton rads in these little cases. So would I be better off with an older mobo and CPU.

Fill out your system specs. We need to at least know what your current CPU is. ...I would probably say no to Haswell though.
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