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Okay i just did some more research and took some things out. This is what i have now:

1. Samsung 840 Serious MZ-7TD120BW 2.5" 120gB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive

(Instead of the 64 gb one)

2. I selected the Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0 Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

( i hope thats good enough)

3. Im stuck on what motherboard to get now:
A) the ASRock 970 EXTREME# AME+ AMD USB 3.0( $84.99 )
ORRRRR
B) MSI 970A-G46 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX ( only $79.99 )

4. Im also stuck on what case to get since the RAIDMAX had complaints about space. People kept saying they had to cram it in so i dont want that issue. i picked these two out because they were recommended in a combo. Tell me if these are good
A) Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming ATX mid tower computer case, w/ five fans, side panel window, top HDD Dock ($89.99 Pretty expensive)
ORRRRR
B) Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer case with three fans 1x front blue LED 120mm, 1x top 140mm fan, 1x rear 120mm fan. ($49.99 pretty dang cheap)

If you all have better case suggestions then im open to them. I looked up some that u suggested but they r alittle out of my price range. The 90$ one is pretty high for me. I also need great air flow.

Again thank you all so much. This project is super important to me. 900$ is alot of money and i wanna make sure im spending it wisely.


Ive just had a brief look on newegg ( uk so not used to what they stock) and this case is just fine -

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146102

120 mm fan slots rear and top enough venting fro your top side of the motherboard and gfx cards usually exhaust out anyway. looks simple, simple is good at lower price point as less money went into design and more into materials ( usually) I like this. All the guys saying put money into the case I take their point but equally you need to remember what a case does. It is a harness. thats it. yes you need good cooling. BUT there is a line. I have an antec 900. In terms of air through put you cannot get much of a better case. some have thermal sections for the psu etc but for sheer air force I have two 120mm at the front, a 200mm at top, 120mm at back, 120mm side. over the years ive managed to drop it, stripped it and not put it all back together etc. now i dont think my rear 120mm is working only have one 120mm front and i have run it without a side for a long time. none of these things have had any significant impact on my temperatures at all. and ive had an i3 at 4.3ghz, e6550 at 3.8 ghz any my current i7 stock ( sorry guys!) on my very old TRUE with a single 120mm fan on it. and none of my fans are hugely high performance I have xilence fans which are great quiet and big throughput but aren't like my silverstone and again I have had huge throughput fans in the past that just havent made any difference.

In short if it has a couple exhaust slots and maybe an intake for SOME air throguhput frankly and in my experience fro your level of hardware tweaking that is entirely sufficient. the rest of the case is just for hanging your stuff. GET a nice case at some point, but if you are anything like me id rather get a 20 quid case and better gfx now that will perform just as well as the 100 quid case - they cool it and they hang your stuff. ( i will note that my 20 quid cheapie used 80mm fans, god they were loud... things have moved on since, get 120mm fans....)

HOWEVER

Powersupplies - now this is important to spend money on. Corsair - for a long time have produce top end psus at a good price point. I personally have an ocz stealthxtreme And it has been amazing every step of the way. Its a budget psu but it does a great job with good reviews.

this is the modular version of it.

http://www.ebuyer.com/152009-ocz-mxsp-series-500w-80-psu-modular-single-12v-rail-135mm-fan-ocz500mxsp

Cant find it on newegg though maybe canadian suppliers will have one. otherwise corsair all the way.

DROP the optical drives like everyone has said. You can always find someone with a spare dvd drive to borrow if you need one, who uses them anymore anyway?

RAM - I have 12 gb of ram because i got this as a kit ( and triple channel ) second hand. If i went out to get a pc now, i would put in 8 gb AT MOST 4gb is still all you need for gaming ( really i never go over 4gb) massive amounts of chrome windows and photoshop are what eat my ram but they use what they can. go with 8gb

MOTHERBOARD - asrock - for me I would never build a serious pc on an asrock base. just feels like an acer its cheap. MSI - better, GIGABYTE - best now i hate when people generalise makes, it all comes down to particular product lines. But I dont have time im afraid to go look into the current gen motherboards ( my kit is ages old now! original i7 ftw ) That being said, gigabyte have been a solid producer for years now and I love their stuff. ( I am however using a great msi motherboard as we speak so swings and roundabout but stick to the main providers )

HARD DRIVES

Personally I would just ditch the ssd. That is going to be very unpopular here! But I would personally grab two 1tb drives and raid them then add ssd another day ( unless you can afford the better psu etc and the ssd and a mech drive in that case go for it ) But I am still using all mech drives, I would love an ssd but i cant afford one right now and my pc works just fine. Its still fast, takes a bit to boot, takes a few seconds to load stuff but its not SLOW! Its just fine. If you are a gamer then I think your investment should be in gfx cards and psu. SIDENOTE - bear in mind the samsung 840 is about 300mbps slower on write than the 840 pro, I would save up and get the pro . Just something to research yourself.

PROCESSOR - ill keep this simple I second the move to an i5 for gaming. It performs amazing, amd have dropped the ball here for the time being AMD processors will do the job for sure, intel processors right now do the job better imho.

I would also like to touch on monitors here.

You have spoken about getting a serious gaming pc but have not specified the monitor you will be displaying it on which may be worth a bigger share in the investment. DONT FORGET mouse and keyboard too! ( my preference is g500 and whatever keyboard is laying around at the time but that is something you need to look into and something these guys will contest till the end of time!)

Sorry if all that isnt the best in terms of presentation but I have tried to cover everything logically.
    
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Powersupplies - now this is important to spend money on. Corsair - for a long time have produce top end psus at a good price point. I personally have an ocz stealthxtreme And it has been amazing every step of the way. Its a budget psu but it does a great job with good reviews.

this is the modular version of it.

http://www.ebuyer.com/152009-ocz-mxsp-series-500w-80-psu-modular-single-12v-rail-135mm-fan-ocz500mxsp

Cant find it on newegg though maybe canadian suppliers will have one. otherwise corsair all the way.
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Forget the OCZ ModXStream Pro and the StealthXtreme its a crime they still sell those its not very good and NOT worth recommending

I have gotten rid of a few of them already here OCN so its not worth buying

The newer OCZ ZS is much much better made and is a better unit overall recommend that not that crappy ModXStream Pro

Corsair is overpriced and overhyped for the most part you can find just as good or better around the same price point if you look around
Edited by shilka - 6/9/13 at 5:48am
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Forget the OCZ ModXStream Pro and the StealthXtreme its a crime they still sell those its not very good and NOT worth recommending

I have gotten rid of a few of them already here OCN so its not worth buying

The newer OCZ ZS is much much better made and is a better unit overall recommend that not that crappy ModXStream Pro

Corsair is overpriced and overhyped for the most part you can find just as good or better around the same price point if you look around

Well yes the zs is better, its newer and improved and more expensive. If you are going to slate something I would suggest you actually provide some reasons for that. At the end of the day the stealthxtreme range providing decent wattage, 12v rails, decent efficiency and a great warranty service at a very low price point while still maintaining good quality for the price. Right now I dont see any major issues that you seem to know of.

More to the point you are posting for someone who has never built a pc and is building one originally on a friends recommendation who also hasnt done a lot of research in the first place and fair play to them, got to start somewhere.

Suggesting that they CAN find good or better at a price point is totally useless to these people and therefore a waste of a post just to slate the suggestions of someone else who has actually tried to be useful and productive.

The simple fact is that corsair psus regularly come top in reviews, regularly come top in recommendations from enthusiasts and therefore make a pretty safe choice for someone who is new to this world to start with and ocz are cheap but still good.
    
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Well yes the zs is better, its newer and improved and more expensive. If you are going to slate something I would suggest you actually provide some reasons for that. At the end of the day the stealthxtreme range providing decent wattage, 12v rails, decent efficiency and a great warranty service at a very low price point while still maintaining good quality for the price. Right now I dont see any major issues that you seem to know of.

More to the point you are posting for someone who has never built a pc and is building one originally on a friends recommendation who also hasnt done a lot of research in the first place and fair play to them, got to start somewhere.

Suggesting that they CAN find good or better at a price point is totally useless to these people and therefore a waste of a post just to slate the suggestions of someone else who has actually tried to be useful and productive.

The simple fact is that corsair psus regularly come top in reviews, regularly come top in recommendations from enthusiasts and therefore make a pretty safe choice for someone who is new to this world to start with and ocz are cheap but still good.

Here you go
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Build Quality

Externally the OCZ 700W ModXStream Pro is a fairly subdued semi-modular design that looks good. The unit has a nice finish, well sleeved cables, good quality modular cables, and a large overhead fan. However, once we open the unit we find that OCZ 700W ModXStream Pro looks very much like a cheap group regulated unit. This is further compounded by the fact that the unit has some questionable component selections in the mystery "Rec" capacitors. Good capacitors only add slightly to the total cost of a unit so why even something along the lines of Samxon or at the very least Teapo was excluded from this build is bewildering. Further, the unit only features a 3 year warranty and with questionable capacitors this is hardly reassuring. Also related here is the unit’s "documentation." The documentation that came with the unit is simply a waste of time. This fact is punctuated by the power distribution table at the back of the manual was never actually finished by whomever was annotating it. The only upside to all of this is most of the information about the unit is printed on the packaging, but still sans a correct power distribution table as these are genuinely useful. They are especially useful when units do not follow the ATX12v specification or EPS specification for 12v power distribution such as this unit.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2008/11/12/ocz_700w_modxstream_pro_power_supply/#.UbSCX5zm6Qs

The OCZ ModXStream Pro is made by HEC that rigth there say everything as HEC has in its history made 3 units i would call better then average

The OCZ ZS is made Sirtec and its far better made then that cheap HEC made chinese crap that the Mod XStream and CoreXStream is

Last Corsonic is more or less killing the PSU market due to demand and the reason for that is people dont want to spend just a little bit time doing research so they just pick the obvious choice which is overhyped

Every heard of Delta / FSP / Enermax / Super Flower or ATNG

Edit OCZ ModXStream is good quality eh not really no

If you see the list you see its not on there
http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies

It was removed a while ago
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I second the NZXT Source case series. They were originally made for budget builds, and they're mid towers, so they'll hold all your stuff with ease until you can afford an upgrade. Since you're on a somewhat tight budget, I say that you could possibly ditch the SSD, and go for a Seagate HDD. Seagate's work, and they're much cheaper then WD.
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eh,,case schmase..I'd get the cheapest thing that will hold a couple 120mm fans :Mid-Tower

Like xd said..newegg.ca kinda suxorz ...Try canadacomputers or directcanada.

I'll put a whole build together the way I'd do it.

$25 Case:http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=22510AC0061&vpn=SK-393-C& manufacture=Apex%20Computer

$65 PSU:http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14660AC8974&vpn=TR-700&manufacture=THERMALTAKE

$65 RAM http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_311_312_612&item_id=035786

$30 Cooler http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC3220&vpn=CNPS10X%20OPTIMA&manfuacture=Zalman

$75 Motherboard http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_335&item_id=042746 (eh)

$170 CPU http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_64&item_id=053295

$84 HDD http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_1086_210_212&item_id=029337

$80 SSD http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1088&item_id=047466 (faster than m4)

$25 DVD burner..only 1 Make *.ISOs and burn http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_61&item_id=052646

$619 so far..rest can go to GPU powah!

$284 GPUhttp://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_1200_557_558&item_id=059644

Total $903 (over budget by $3)

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Unless you are 100% sure which Thermaltake TR2 it is i would not touch it

There are 3 TR2 one is a deathtrap by HEC the second is a decent FSP unit with a P in the model name and the last is the brand new TR2 made by CWT
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The NZXT Source 210/Elite are both good cases. I built a gaming PC for my wife using the 210 Elite, which was a breeze to set-up.

I recommend switching from 16GB to 8GB of RAM, SSD to 500GB-1TB HDD and only one CD/RW+DVD/RW ODD.

My other suggestions are:

Intel 3570k+Z77 mobo

AMD FX-8320+990FX mobo

AMD FX-6350+970FX mobo
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Thank you guys so much for all your feed back. Like i said before i dont wanna waste my money and i wanna make sure im getting the best for my price range. I wanted a case that looked cool before and didnt really care about what it did but now that i know ALOT more about the point of cases i dont care about how it looks really. Im gonna ditch some more stuff and keep looking. Ill post one last build and see what you all say so i can end this threat and you all can not be bothered anymore. Thx!!
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Thank you guys so much for all your feed back. Like i said before i dont wanna waste my money and i wanna make sure im getting the best for my price range. I wanted a case that looked cool before and didnt really care about what it did but now that i know ALOT more about the point of cases i dont care about how it looks really. Im gonna ditch some more stuff and keep looking. Ill post one last build and see what you all say so i can end this threat and you all can not be bothered anymore. Thx!!
just a FYI the case you picked has a 5 star review on every single website while some of them "reccomended" ones has 3-4 stars and crappy material.

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