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Intel boards are always atrocious. No way. Generally speaking:

Biostar and MSI for cheapo boards.
Asrock for lower mid-range (pro3, extreme3, etc)
Gigabyte for mid-range
Asus for high-end

MSI and Intel, historically, suck terribly for motherboards every single time. That's okay if it's dirt cheap for msi. Asrock had great value boards on P67/Z68 but on Z77 they really screwed over consumers by trying to hype things up by selling high phase count VRMs using extremely low quality parts. Which doesn't really cost them less to make, but performs way worse, but markets way better (Oh more phases must mean better VRM!).

Asus high end boards are absolutely awesome, they hit magical RAM overclocks and lots of great LN2, overclock features, and they make good mid-range boards too but not as great as asrock and gigabyte, generally (they still make very solid mid-range, just not the best). Gigabyte tends to have software issues, but they have really high quality hardware and design, and usually the issues are minor and temporary, and less common nowadays. Both Gigabyte and Asus make poor value low-end boards, but great higher end boards, with gigabyte more mid-range, upper mid, and asus more of the absolute best with asus rogs and pros and such.

Who knows how z87 turns out but I don't see these dynamics changing too much. MSI seems to be cleaning up (slowly...) and trying to go higher end, Asus seems to be trying to appeal more to budget users.

When I go to microcenter I'm just going to look at the VRMs of the motherboards, google their amperage, and make a choice that way, though a quick look should be able to tell enough about the board, ie low rds on, 4 pin vs 8 pin, etc.

You really have to be an idiot to buy an intel motherboard though. They always make absolutely terrible boards, everyone knows this, even review sites call them bad, and there's a reason why Z87 is the last series of Intel boards you will see. A safe choice in a motherboard right now would be Gigabyte UD3H or better or Asus. Maybe Asrock if you trust they've learned their lesson, while they were terrible relative to the competition on Z77 they still got the job done for medium overclocks (though at the price range of the Extreme4, you can do extreme air overclocks).
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Intel boards are always atrocious. No way. Generally speaking:

Biostar and MSI for cheapo boards.
Asrock for lower mid-range (pro3, extreme3, etc)
Gigabyte for mid-range
Asus for high-end

MSI and Intel, historically, suck terribly for motherboards every single time. That's okay if it's dirt cheap for msi. Asrock had great value boards on P67/Z68 but on Z77 they really screwed over consumers by trying to hype things up by selling high phase count VRMs using extremely low quality parts. Which doesn't really cost them less to make, but performs way worse, but markets way better (Oh more phases must mean better VRM!).

Asus high end boards are absolutely awesome, they hit magical RAM overclocks and lots of great LN2, overclock features, and they make good mid-range boards too but not as great as asrock and gigabyte, generally (they still make very solid mid-range, just not the best). Gigabyte tends to have software issues, but they have really high quality hardware and design, and usually the issues are minor and temporary, and less common nowadays. Both Gigabyte and Asus make poor value low-end boards, but great higher end boards, with gigabyte more mid-range, upper mid, and asus more of the absolute best with asus rogs and pros and such.

Who knows how z87 turns out but I don't see these dynamics changing too much. MSI seems to be cleaning up (slowly...) and trying to go higher end, Asus seems to be trying to appeal more to budget users.

When I go to microcenter I'm just going to look at the VRMs of the motherboards, google their amperage, and make a choice that way, though a quick look should be able to tell enough about the board, ie low rds on, 4 pin vs 8 pin, etc.

You really have to be an idiot to buy an intel motherboard though. They always make absolutely terrible boards, everyone knows this, even review sites call them bad, and there's a reason why Z87 is the last series of Intel boards you will see. A safe choice in a motherboard right now would be Gigabyte UD3H or better or Asus. Maybe Asrock if you trust they've learned their lesson, while they were terrible relative to the competition on Z77 they still got the job done for medium overclocks (though at the price range of the Extreme4, you can do extreme air overclocks).
Your statements are not acurate regarding the Asrock Z77 line of boards. The main issue was the Z77 Extreme 4 board. That is the board that had the cheap VRMs. The Extreme 6 and up came with better VRMs and delivered solid performance. The only issue with the Extreme 6 was that the voltage was nit displayed properly in HWmonitor. Since the Z77 line, they have upgraded the parts on the Z87 line. Hopefully these issues have been sorted out. Also, I have worked with Intel boards for basic consumer computers for the past 15 years. Although they are not good for overclocking, they have proven to be very reliable for my customers. MSI has offered poor mosfets on their boards for some time now and should probably be researched on sins website before a decision is made favoring MSI. ASUS has terrible customer service. If you are willing to spend a lit of money on a high end ASUS board and have them deny your RMA because it is cloudy outside, be my guest. I only have personal experience with one Gigabyte board, and the BIOS version was unstable, but this was 10 years ago (approximately) so I cannot give any suggestions. The components on the Gigabyte generally look decent and I have heard that their support is better than ASUS. I hope this helps a little. Good luck!
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I have the Extreme 6 and nothing but flawlessness from it. Overclocked so far to 4.6Ghz.

I was looking-checking out Extreme 6 in MC the other day and it look to me like pcb was black ,the earlier reviews show brown pcb ...is it black or brown ?

It is... dark chocolate! biggrin.gif



PS: Asrock marketing guys should have touted their special dark chocolate brew right from day 1 and there would have been no such confusion.
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I figured will probably get a response like this biggrin.gif
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Gigabyte for mid-range
Asus for high-end

Personally I find Gigabyte to be just as good and sometimes better for the high-end (the G1 Gaming motherboard are often cheaper and pack more features than the ROG boards like beefier onboard audio).
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In the past 10yrs or so I've had 3 Asus n 2 Gigabyte motherboards. Two of the three Asus MB have had little problems but still perform well,never had to RMA with either company.

I was thinking about a Asrock MB for my new Z78 rig,changed my mind.I'll be going Gigabyte UD4H. My two present gigabyte rig are still kicking azz so what can I say,just my 2cents
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In the past 10yrs or so I've had 3 Asus n 2 Gigabyte motherboards. Two of the three Asus MB have had little problems but still perform well,never had to RMA with either company.

I was thinking about a Asrock MB for my new Z78 rig,changed my mind.I'll be going Gigabyte UD4H. My two present gigabyte rig are still kicking azz so what can I say,just my 2cents
RMAing anything with ASUS is like throwing it in the trash. People have better luck with RMAs with Gigabyte.
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Intel boards are always atrocious. No way. Generally speaking:

Biostar and MSI for cheapo boards.
Asrock for lower mid-range (pro3, extreme3, etc)
Gigabyte for mid-range
Asus for high-end

MSI and Intel, historically, suck terribly for motherboards every single time. That's okay if it's dirt cheap for msi. Asrock had great value boards on P67/Z68 but on Z77 they really screwed over consumers by trying to hype things up by selling high phase count VRMs using extremely low quality parts. Which doesn't really cost them less to make, but performs way worse, but markets way better (Oh more phases must mean better VRM!).

Asus high end boards are absolutely awesome, they hit magical RAM overclocks and lots of great LN2, overclock features, and they make good mid-range boards too but not as great as asrock and gigabyte, generally (they still make very solid mid-range, just not the best). Gigabyte tends to have software issues, but they have really high quality hardware and design, and usually the issues are minor and temporary, and less common nowadays. Both Gigabyte and Asus make poor value low-end boards, but great higher end boards, with gigabyte more mid-range, upper mid, and asus more of the absolute best with asus rogs and pros and such.

Who knows how z87 turns out but I don't see these dynamics changing too much. MSI seems to be cleaning up (slowly...) and trying to go higher end, Asus seems to be trying to appeal more to budget users.

When I go to microcenter I'm just going to look at the VRMs of the motherboards, google their amperage, and make a choice that way, though a quick look should be able to tell enough about the board, ie low rds on, 4 pin vs 8 pin, etc.

You really have to be an idiot to buy an intel motherboard though. They always make absolutely terrible boards, everyone knows this, even review sites call them bad, and there's a reason why Z87 is the last series of Intel boards you will see. A safe choice in a motherboard right now would be Gigabyte UD3H or better or Asus. Maybe Asrock if you trust they've learned their lesson, while they were terrible relative to the competition on Z77 they still got the job done for medium overclocks (though at the price range of the Extreme4, you can do extreme air overclocks).
Your statements are not acurate regarding the Asrock Z77 line of boards. The main issue was the Z77 Extreme 4 board. That is the board that had the cheap VRMs. The Extreme 6 and up came with better VRMs and delivered solid performance. The only issue with the Extreme 6 was that the voltage was nit displayed properly in HWmonitor. Since the Z77 line, they have upgraded the parts on the Z87 line. Hopefully these issues have been sorted out. Also, I have worked with Intel boards for basic consumer computers for the past 15 years. Although they are not good for overclocking, they have proven to be very reliable for my customers. MSI has offered poor mosfets on their boards for some time now and should probably be researched on sins website before a decision is made favoring MSI. ASUS has terrible customer service. If you are willing to spend a lit of money on a high end ASUS board and have them deny your RMA because it is cloudy outside, be my guest. I only have personal experience with one Gigabyte board, and the BIOS version was unstable, but this was 10 years ago (approximately) so I cannot give any suggestions. The components on the Gigabyte generally look decent and I have heard that their support is better than ASUS. I hope this helps a little. Good luck!

Incorrect. The pro series boards had really bad VRMs as well (granted, cheap boards, but better cheap boards abound like asus and biostar offerings at same price point). There was also an issue of overly generous voltage reporting, which existed on every Z77 asrock, from extreme4, to extreme6, to z77 oc. The extreme6 did have good hardware though, it was a good board for the price.

Saying a board is reliable when it isn't overclocked means nothing. I'm pretty sure a Gigabyte or Asus board would be way more reliable than an Intel board when not overclocked for years on end.
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This is the first time REALLY hearing any perspective discussion about mobo brands and I want to thank you guys a lot. I personally had no idea about intel and MSI boards especially MSI. I was planning on buying a MSI mATX board for a hackintosh build but I'm glad I put that build on hold. I pretty much stayed away from Asrock until recently just because I never really heard anything REALLY outstanding about it. I usually put ASUS and Gigabyte in the same boat but that's just me.

After seeing what you guys said and reading more, I will be staying away from the intel board. XD

Which asus board should I pick up? I saw the Maximus VI Formula & Extreme in some computex videos but only the VI Hero is available right now.....the formula board look sweet with the water cooling option on the mobo and the OC screen thingy.

How does the ROG boards stack against ASUS' other boards? ex. TUF series and Deluxe (gold)
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This is the first time REALLY hearing any perspective discussion about mobo brands and I want to thank you guys a lot. I personally had no idea about intel and MSI boards especially MSI. I was planning on buying a MSI mATX board for a hackintosh build but I'm glad I put that build on hold. I pretty much stayed away from Asrock until recently just because I never really heard anything REALLY outstanding about it. I usually put ASUS and Gigabyte in the same boat but that's just me.

After seeing what you guys said and reading more, I will be staying away from the intel board. XD

Which asus board should I pick up? I saw the Maximus VI Formula & Extreme in some computex videos but only the VI Hero is available right now.....the formula board look sweet with the water cooling option on the mobo and the OC screen thingy.

How does the ROG boards stack against ASUS' other boards? ex. TUF series and Deluxe (gold)

You don't need a high end board unless you plan on extreme cooling like ln2. Any sub 175 board will max Haswell on air and water
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