Originally Posted by Watagump
Originally Posted by Belial
you'll hit 4.8ghz on most boards (except the lower end boards). You have no offset voltage control so it's useless for a 24/7 overclock, the VRM is less efficient so your board runs hotter at the same voltage, won't last as long, doesnt delivery power as cleanly, and is more inefficient so you are consuming more power (and on a email@example.com+, that's a good 10w+ difference).
I'm not saying the GD65, absolutely, is a bad board, or that it will limit you. I'm saying it's a poor choice compared to the other options. Yea, a dodge car is great. But why would you buy a dodge when you could buy a honda or toyota (bad example, im not so sure dodge is bad anymore, but you get the point).
MSi boards are always crap, they were atrocious on AM3, and they were terrible on P67, Z68, and Z77. Furthermore, they are a budget line-up. They have had a few boards that were priced well for their quality, like the MSI Z77A-G41 for $19 at microcenter (and as a owner of one, I'd say at $21 it'd be a ripoff for how crappy it is)... but you don't buy MSI or Biostar for a high end board. That would be like buying a Toyota Spyder instead of a Ferrari or Mustang or Lexus or whatever.
Whatever. Maybe msi is great on z87. It just doesnt make logical sense to buy a z87-gd65 based on MSi's track record on motherboards.
People said Ivy could only do 4.7ghz and how terrible an overclocker it was compared to sandy when it was first released too. I'm sure if you delid, it'll be just like Ivy delidded - only 5-10% can do firstname.lastname@example.org or better, but it's possible.
I see no reason why you would keep ivy bridge these days unless you got a golden chip. Sell your ivy for market and buy haswell, if you were smart about where you bought from, you'll flip a profit in the process. I paid $209+79 for Ivy+UD5H, market rate is $290 + 160 for them, I'm actually going to get a lot more than that for them due to selling as a package deal, and buying Haswell for $289+144. And with the extra cash I'll eat BBQ for a week.
Maybe it's an upgrade, maybe it's only a sidegrade, but I actually enjoy building computers, something that seems to be rare on OCN these days. So many people seem to think that having to remove their RAM is a dreadful task.
There is no problem with people like me. I have the board, it runs at 4.8 all day long. You sit there saying MSI is crap when I am sitting here using one and stable as can be. OMG I don't have offset voltage, oh no, yet I still run at 4.8. I don't need what is considered a good board in YOUR eyes. If this board really sucked I would take it back, just like I did with the 2 Asrock boards I had before this MSI.
Yes, but you aren't really
using it, you aren't pushing it. Are you going to tell me that you know for sure your board is better than an Asus Z87-A or Z87-Pro or Gigabyte UD3H, UD4H, UD5H? Come on now. It may be a good board in absolute terms, but in relative
terms there is nothing logical to suggest that the MSI GD65 would be a better choice than competitive offerings.
I sit here saying MSI is crap based on their track record. Their AM3 boards all went up in fire and had coil whine and overheated, their P67 and Z68 boards lacked manual vcore, their Z77 boards lacked offset voltage making them useless for 24/7 overclocking and still used nikos and no low rds on mosfets
. They are absolute garbage competitively. Do they work for someone humming along on 4.8? Sure. But will it do it more efficiently, consuming less power, radiating less heat, last as long, run a voltage as cleanly, and be able to handle higher voltages, have higher build quality, compared to it's competitive offerings?
You just don't go into a geo dealership waving around $70K saying you want to buy their most luxurious car. You go to lexus or bmw or porsche.
And yea, offset voltage, that's freaking huge... If I'm paying $150 for a motherboard, it better damn well have every single bell and whistle, especially when I can just buy a gigabyte or asus that actually has it. Offset voltage is the biggest feature for 24/7 overclocking, everyone knows you'd rather run 1.5v with offset so you are essentially at .9v 23/7/365 even if you game most of the day, then run 1.35v 24/7. You are degrading your chip way quicker with manual vcore as opposed to offset voltage.
Now I can't say for sure what MSi is like on z87, no one can at the moment, but we do know their track record. And their track record is they make terrible boards, every, single, time. And then there's people like you, who go derp derp recommend MSi boards, and then more people buy them, and you just have a legion of uninformed people who have computers that don't blow up because they play crysis 3 talking about how great their boards are, when in reality it's like saying their dodge charger is a great car because it can drive around town without falling apart in 6 months. Sorry, if I have $150, I'm going to buy the best board at $150. If I have $2, I'm going to buy the best board at $2. I don't just buy products willy nilly. I like to make informed decisions, and shut my mouth about what is good and what is bad until I use competitive products.
Which brings me to ask... your gd65 does have both manual and offset voltage control right? They didn't screw this up again did they? on z77 the official msi forums was just a single thread about people complaining about how crappy msi was because they didnt have offset voltage and how the msi engineers had hard coded only manual vcore control and couldnt fix the issue with an update.