I want to preface this by saying yeah, you're free to disagree with me, etc, etc.
I disagree with you Ized and here is why:
Originally Posted by Ized
I have a very strong opinion of this which people are free to disagree with.
Its either stable or its not! To me there really is no middleground. If you choose to believe otherwise you are simply running with a system thats ready to reboot at any given moment with zero warning. Will it be today? Tomorrow? During next months windows update?
Deftine stable. Stable as in it will never crash? Give me your computer, I will make it crash. Crash from normal usage? What is normal? Is Prime 95 normal? Is Chess normal? Is gaming normal? Is putting it under the tap normal?
Even AFTER you've explained my request perfectly, you're still left with: What makers you think, that a crash under abnormal usage, ei avx stressing, will mean a crash under a windows update? You have no evidence to prove that.
If any userland application can crash my system then the OC is worthless.
To you, maybe.
Sure it may not happen often, but thats why we run hours and hours of 100% cpu usage in multiple stress apps and tests. To be sure!
But what we consider stable, normal, sure,. they are all subjected to personal opnion. How sure is sure? How many hours are enough?
Otherwise you may as well shoot for 5Ghz+ at 1.55v with no testing, as long as you can login to windows and browse the web, or half an hour of your fav game...pretend all is fine.
That makes no sense, again. You're simplifying my stance and that's a fallacy. If I can run chess for two days in a row and not crash, then your statement is irrelevant. NOW, what IF all I do was, login to windows, browse the web, and play half an hour of my favorite game and it NEVER EVER crashes? Then for my usage scenario, my overclock is fine.
I think theres a really warped vision of average achievable overclocks, between 'it works for me' and 'actually stable'.
Isn't the entire point of overclocking to achieve something that works for you? If you think a crash every half hour is "fine by you" for example, then hell, go for it.
This really messes with peoples expectations when they see dozens of people claiming to get 4.5Ghz+ 'stable' because they have run a BF3 benchmark for 20mins.
You don't know that's whats going on. I can hit 4.5ghz fine even with all those stress tests. Maybe not Linpack, I'm not sure about that. But prime and the others, absolutely. And I'm on air, not delidded. It's definitely possible for others to hit higher if they tried harder and played with more settings. I'm not posting my overclock as an overclock that is ridiculously high which I can only boot in to show off, or to mislead. I tell people what I used to stress it and let them come up with their own conclusions. I tell the, hey, results vary, A LOT with Haswell. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
I can just about login to windows at 4.7Ghz, I can browse the web fine at 4.6Ghz and below, I can run hours of certain benchmarks/stress testing at 4.5Ghz. Even longer at 4.4Ghz! Do you know what I can run at 100% stable? Barely 4.2Ghz, im still not sure.
That's just you. That's not me. I ran prime and other stress tests at 4.4/4.5ghz. If by posting my own results and showing others what I got makes others expect too much, you having a bum cpu, are you making others expect too little?
Really I think we need a new thread for results with 100% stable Results, using a selection of the most intensive testing apps that we have today for XX hours each. I saw such posts for other hardware here, would anyone be willing to start it?
We're going to have to decide on a test. I would not vote for Linpack or whatever it's called. Prime95 or Aida.
Its very easy to become somewhat disapointed and convince yourself it will be ok instead of just settling for a lesser overclock. Thats a slippery slope.
But after a while when we actually use the computer and if we get slapped with Bsods, we'll get fed up and have no choice but to lower the clock ANYWAYS. It's a choice we have to make, what we consider acceptable or unacceptable.
Just do whatever you want. Make sure the computer runs the way you want it to, not what others want it to. After all, nobody knows what you want more than you and you paid for the computer.Edited by Darkwizzie - 7/11/13 at 7:34am