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Poll Results: Do you intend on getting haswell?

 
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post #1 of 34
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http://www.techderp.net/2013/06/intel-haswell-build-advice.html

I wrote a thing! Check it out.

My build advice will make a lot of overclockers sad to be honest, but I thought I might put it out here incase anyone was wondering.

Haswell is a pretty crappy overclocker which is what prompted me to write this article I just linked.

What do you guys think of haswell?


Personally I think it's a bit of a mess, but it's a beautiful mess.
post #2 of 34
Derping on the Internet!!!!!!! wooooooo
post #3 of 34
I certainly think you are right in that you can get a very powerful system with say a 4670 (max 3.8 turbo) and a B85 motherboard. I'm quite tempted by that option myself.

However for those that want extra features on their motherboards you have to buy Z87 anyway and the CPUs themselves are barely any more expensive for the K models.

Then it comes down to the cooling which can add a lot to the cost if you think you need an H100 etc. Depends if you already have a cooler and what sort of overclock you are chasing. Many have managed to hit 4.2 with quite modest cooling.
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650W is massive overkill and the Blue drive is faster than the Black (althrough being marketed as a Blue).
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Blue is faster than black? Since when?

650w is overkill, yes, but 650w power supplies get peak efficiency around 50% load, which means this is a significant power saver.

Also, some power states haswell has don't work with many power supplies.

Willzzz, yes you can hit 4.2, but at what cost?

You need to buy a z motherboard (if you were getting one for features, this is a moot point), a k model processor(which loses virtualization features), and good air cooling, a likely cost increase of around 125 to 150$, to go from 3.9 to 4.2, which is a 7% difference.

I mean, if you really don't care about the money, it's not a big deal, but I'd suggest spending that 125 to 150$ on other things first, like a solid state drive or a 150$ better videocard
post #6 of 34
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Blue is faster than black? Since when?

650w is overkill, yes, but 650w power supplies get peak efficiency around 50% load, which means this is a significant power saver.

Also, some power states haswell has don't work with many power supplies.

Willzzz, yes you can hit 4.2, but at what cost?

You need to buy a z motherboard (if you were getting one for features, this is a moot point), a k model processor(which loses virtualization features), and good air cooling, a likely cost increase of around 125 to 150$, to go from 3.9 to 4.2, which is a 7% difference.

I mean, if you really don't care about the money, it's not a big deal, but I'd suggest spending that 125 to 150$ on other things first, like a solid state drive or a 150$ better videocard

The Haswell is and PSU is so overblown its ridiculous its not a problem and everyone needs to calm down and stop overhyped a problem that is not even there

The problem is that the C6 and C7 sleep mode use so little power that some of the lower end PSU´s cant give that little power so the PC gets problems because of that

Almost all PSU´s that are average or better does not have that problem and even if you do then turn off C6 and C7 sleep in the BIOS its that small a problem

Stop with the Haswell PSU thing its not only overhyped now its downright annoying to listen to sometimes
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post #7 of 34
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Blue is faster than black? Since when?

Since the WD10EZEX came out. There is no Black drive with single 1TB platter currently. Look at this:

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And that drive is both quieter and cheaper than the Black.
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post #8 of 34
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650w is overkill, yes, but 650w power supplies get peak efficiency around 50% load, which means this is a significant power saver.

Here's an efficiency curve for that PSU:



Source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cases/display/seasonic-ss-psus_2.html
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post #9 of 34
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So, I was roughly correct for efficiency.

Regardless, there are a limited number of PSU that function with haswell, and as far as I'm aware that is a very reliable PSU, especially if you want fully modular.
What is "power factor" ?



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Wow, I didn't know about that with the blue.

Thank you for informing me.

Blue looks like a good drive now then.

I wonder when black will get a refresh?
post #10 of 34
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So, I was roughly correct for efficiency.

Regardless, there are a limited number of PSU that function with haswell, and as far as I'm aware that is a very reliable PSU, especially if you want fully modular.
What is "power factor" ?
?

Where did you hear that?

And most of it is wrong
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