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Proof?

You mean besides this article written @ a week ago: http://modcrash.com/nvidia-display-driver-damaging-gpus/#.UbXdavnql8E

And WHQL Damaging GPUs

...Google is your friend. thumb.gif

In statistics you hit a point where the data concludes that something is a bit beyond coincidence...I'd say we passed that point on Friday...And considering practically every computer forum on Google has at least 1 individual with this issue (As the Google search identifies) I'd say that even without the vendor correlation, we're witnessing a legitimate issue. Throw in the vendor numbers and now, we have a real problem.
Edited by Masked - 6/10/13 at 7:10am
post #322 of 1424
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You mean besides this article written @ a week ago: http://modcrash.com/nvidia-display-driver-damaging-gpus/#.UbXdavnql8E

And WHQL Damaging GPUs

...Google is your friend. thumb.gif

Funny guy aey?

All that linked me too was a bunch of nonsense. I'm still yet to actually see or hear anything from anyone that's actually knowledgable report anything suggesting the driver is physically damaging cards.

Please stop spreading nonsense.
    
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post #323 of 1424
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Funny guy aey?

All that linked me too was a bunch of nonsense. I'm still yet to actually see or hear anything from anyone that's actually knowledgable report anything suggesting the driver is physically damaging cards.

Please stop spreading nonsense.

The entire page of users from every other computer forum in the industry having issues, the same that we are, is nonsense?

Well now, that's interesting.

Tom's and [H] reporting issues and melt-downs, nonsense? Interesting.

I'd say stop being an idiot but, that would be rude so, I'll simply say "open your eyes".
post #324 of 1424
Hi Masked

As you are one of those talented individuals who used to write mobile drivers, and I really take my hat off to you, Modded drivers were the ONLY way to get decent performance out of the two gaming laptops I owned a few years back.
Could you look at the driver and see if anything stands out as untoward?
I know in the past Nvidia had some bad fan profiles that caused some heat issues, and as you rightly say there are many variants of even the same SKU, it would be good to see what they changed in the driver that could have caused this problem, a comparison with the previous 314 driver might be an idea.

While I myself am not experiencing problems, I would never dismiss something outright, although I admit initially the linked article did just look like some Nvidia bashing as it wasn't backed up with hard evidence.

so guys, lets see if we can get to the bottom of this.
    
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Why are people denying that 320.xx is causing problems?
I'v seen it with my eyes, 560Ti getting --edited--.
Pc lockups, screen flickering, artifacts.
Worst drive ever.
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post #326 of 1424
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Funny guy aey?

All that linked me too was a bunch of nonsense. I'm still yet to actually see or hear anything from anyone that's actually knowledgable report anything suggesting the driver is physically damaging cards.

Please stop spreading nonsense.

I had gpuz saving data out to a log file and I noticed at one point during a valley run my gpu clock jumped from 1149 to 1307. During that particular run, valley was running great and then suddenly it turned into a slide show. That is what made me investigate the log to find out what happened. Now, that did not appear to do any damage to my gpu, but what if something similar was to happen to voltage? Would that not damage the card?
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post #327 of 1424
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The entire page of users from every other computer forum in the industry having issues, the same that we are, is nonsense?

Well now, that's interesting.

Tom's and [H] reporting issues and melt-downs, nonsense? Interesting.

I'd say stop being an idiot but, that would be rude so, I'll simply say "open your eyes".

Lol.

Toms hardware has nothing on their main page about the issue. So toms hardware has reported nothing. Hard OCP is the same. So please like I said. Link me to said reported issues from credible sources.

I'm yet to find any. Just randoms on the Internet that couldn't plug a PCIe connector into their graphics card if their life depended on it screaming their GPU is damaged because they had a driver crash or some some artifacts. And all because of people like you enabling such behaviour.

Im not denying the possibility of a crappy driver but it causing physical damage to GPUs is another thing. GPUs have issues everyday all around the world and the only difference in now every Nvidia GPU that has an issue will be blamed on the driver because someone that wanted attention wrote a stupid article.

You show me proof and I'll believe you.
    
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post #328 of 1424
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Hi Masked

As you are one of those talented individuals who used to write mobile drivers, and I really take my hat off to you, Modded drivers were the ONLY way to get decent performance out of the two gaming laptops I owned a few years back.
Could you look at the driver and see if anything stands out as untoward?
I know in the past Nvidia had some bad fan profiles that caused some heat issues, and as you rightly say there are many variants of even the same SKU, it would be good to see what they changed in the driver that could have caused this problem, a comparison with the previous 314 driver might be an idea.

While I myself am not experiencing problems, I would never dismiss something outright, although I admit initially the linked article did just look like some Nvidia bashing as it wasn't backed up with hard evidence.

so guys, lets see if we can get to the bottom of this.

Vendors are reporting heat issues at large -- Almost like someone unlocked the load cap and swapped the OCP protocols with maybe a heat lock.

The issue on-top of that one is the artifacting...When a card artifacts, it's typically a sign of core decay which, is escalated by a voltage lock not existing.

So for example, when we wrote the drivers for the M17x (Pre-Dell), we actually made a mistake -- If you recall, Alienware GPU's were dying left and right -- It was because we//I, had actually swapped the OCP protocol with a voltage lock and down went @ 100 GPU's/day until we identified the issue and rolled back the driver.

Am I saying that's the problem here? Not exactly.

What I am saying is that there are enough people having issues with this driver, not just the crashing but, the artifacting AND overheating that, it's actually not a stretch to believe some Fermis are dying.

Fermi was a hot card...Add on a poorly coded driver, especially one causing overheating to a normal 580 and you've got a dead card. -- That's just reality...A very understandable, simple, reality.

Remember the 590's? Sweclockers took the load past the Nvidia warning to 1.2 and we had fireworks.

Frying a card is extremely easy and making an error on these drivers is actually rather easy...Once again, the fact that so many vendors are having these issues and the sheer volume of issues, leads me to believe, that there's a solid legitimacy...And that's not making anything up, that's using common sense.

BTW...I have absolutely nothing to prove nor am I giving up the vendors -- That would be ethically/morally wrong...Go into the forums and READ what they're saying, not just browsing the front page...Sometimes, you have to put some effort into it...Remember that google search? smile.gif
post #329 of 1424
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Well im using a 460 GTX and i just signed up here to share this:
I installed the 320.18 drivers a couple days ago and as soon as they where installed this list happened to me:
-Random freezes causing PC to lock up & reboot needed
-PC in idle mode gives me random scrambled desktop screen with weird colours that sometimes go back to normal & other times require a reboot
-The times everything was normal for hours on end i tried to play a game and after 5-15 minutes (tried several times) screen gets scrambled, locks up and only the sound continues.
-I reinstalled the 306.97 drivers which seemed to have worked at first but then the issues started again.
-Right now im still using the 306.97 drivers but i uninstalled the nvidia HD audio drivers and so far no issues to be shared.

Im pretty sure those drivers did damage my video card since ive had it for 2,5 years now and ive never had one single crash related to the video card.
and as soon i installed the 320.18 drivers BANG **** hit the fan?

Anyway ill bookmark this page and ill come back to post if anything has changed later

Ever think the driver just corrupted your windows? This probably happens on a daily basis to people all around the world, issues like this are nothing new. Just because a new driver is doing it more frequently than people deem acceptable, does not mean in any way that it caused physical damage to your GPU. That notion is simply ludacris.

Fresh install windows, roll back a few drivers, reflash your BIOS and if it's still happening then we will talk.
    
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Vendors are reporting heat issues at large -- Almost like someone unlocked the load cap and swapped the OCP protocols with maybe a heat lock.

The issue on-top of that one is the artifacting...When a card artifacts, it's typically a sign of core decay which, is escalated by a voltage lock not existing.

So for example, when we wrote the drivers for the M17x (Pre-Dell), we actually made a mistake -- If you recall, Alienware GPU's were dying left and right -- It was because we//I, had actually swapped the OCP protocol with a voltage lock and down went @ 100 GPU's/day until we identified the issue and rolled back the driver.

Am I saying that's the problem here? Not exactly.

What I am saying is that there are enough people having issues with this driver, not just the crashing but, the artifacting AND overheating that, it's actually not a stretch to believe some Fermis are dying.

Fermi was a hot card...Add on a poorly coded driver, especially one causing overheating to a normal 580 and you've got a dead card. -- That's just reality...A very understandable, simple, reality.

Remember the 590's? Sweclockers took the load past the Nvidia warning to 1.2 and we had fireworks.

Frying a card is extremely easy and making an error on these drivers is actually rather easy...Once again, the fact that so many vendors are having these issues and the sheer volume of issues, leads me to believe, that there's a solid legitimacy...And that's not making anything up, that's using common sense.

There we go.

If its possibly causing overheating on some cards then yes we finally have something to investigate. Random crashes and normal driver issues are not symptoms of cards being physically damaged. What are they saying is overheating because overheating in general isn't specific.
    
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