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Looking for a new mouse, tired of Logitech shenanigans

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As the title says, I'm tired of Logitech's shenanigans with their gaming software. That **** is totally unusable. Takes 5 minutes to open up and freezes the instant I try to change anything. It's repeatable, and present in every version of the software I've tried, and I've been seeing a whole host of other people with the same exact problems, some dating back to 2011. All Logitech can say to fix it is to turn off the "Enable enhanced graphics" option, which accomplishes nothing. Unacceptable. I think I'm done with Logitech.

So yea, onto the important stuff.

Grip: Finger/palm, depends on what I'm doing.
Sensitivity: I usually run 1600 - 2000dpi
Budget: $150 max
Buttons: I'd prefer at least 7-8 buttons (the 13 on my g700 is nice, but some are unused)
Games: Mostly Skyrim, Deus Ex: HR, L4D2
Prediction: Sucks
Additional Info: Wireless. I hate having the cable dragging my mouse and preventing it from going where I want/need it to go. I have a small desk so the cable has to be routed a certain way, and it either won't let my mouse go somewhere, or pushes a speaker off the desk. I'd like the customization of the R.A.T. 9, but I've heard it's average at best and doesn't really last that long.
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post #2 of 18
If you have to have wireless, the only wireless mouse worth owning is the Razer Mamba 2012. Battery life is great, feels really good, nice charging-dock, works well on hard or soft mouse pad (all you need to do is click the 'calibrate to surface' in the software).

If you decide to go wired, then just get a Razer cable bungee and your mouse will basically feel wireless.
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post #3 of 18
Razer Ouroboros?

Otherwise, I would suggest a mouse bungee with a good wired mouse.
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I had no idea that anything like the mouse bungee even existed! That looks pretty cool and would probably be a huge help in finding a good mouse. The major reason I want wireless is because of cord drag, but if the bungee can give the same feel, then I have no problem going wired. I don't need to mouse on a sofa or my leg. So if the wireless is a non-issue, what would you recommend?
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post #5 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by tippy25 View Post

I had no idea that anything like the mouse bungee even existed! That looks pretty cool and would probably be a huge help in finding a good mouse. The major reason I want wireless is because of cord drag, but if the bungee can give the same feel, then I have no problem going wired. I don't need to mouse on a sofa or my leg. So if the wireless is a non-issue, what would you recommend?

Well I'm not sure of what to recommend you because I haven't used any mice that work for both palm and fingertip grip.

For palm grip my vote to best palm grip mouse out right now is the Zowie EC1 eVo.
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post #6 of 18
The Mionix Naos 3200 is pretty good. It has a great optical sensor. It's a very comfortable palm grip mouse with support for all 5 fingers. It has pretty good software and profiles are saved onto the onboard memory.
Edited by DoctorWorm - 6/10/13 at 5:35am
post #7 of 18
I suggest you take a good look at the R.A.T.3 (the new optical version, not the old crappy laser version). It's cheap, can be palmed, clawed, fingertipped, and has an excellent sensor. Its "mode" button makes up for the low number of normal buttons. Then there's the Roccat Savu. I've heard it can be fingertipped, but I can't confirm that. Its "Easyshift" feature makes up for the low number of buttons. Also worth considering might be the upcoming Roccat Kone Pure Optical.
post #8 of 18
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The only time I really palm the mouse is when I'm surfing cat videos on youtube and browsing my skyrim or movie folders. Everything else is fingertip. Being comfortable palming is more of a bonus than a requirement. Sorry, I should have been more specific in my OP.

Also, what's the big difference between optical and laser? Is one better than the other or is it just a case of one being visible and the other not? It really makes no difference to me which one, as long as it's good.
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post #9 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by tippy25 View Post

The only time I really palm the mouse is when I'm surfing cat videos on youtube and browsing my skyrim or movie folders. Everything else is fingertip. Being comfortable palming is more of a bonus than a requirement. Sorry, I should have been more specific in my OP.

Also, what's the big difference between optical and laser? Is one better than the other or is it just a case of one being visible and the other not? It really makes no difference to me which one, as long as it's good.

The best optical sensors are better than the best laser sensors, yet laser mice are usually more expensive. It's a marketing thing. Both can use visible or invisible light. Laser mice use coherent light. Optical (or rather LED based) mice use non-coherent light. But you don't really need to know any of that.

Anyway, if your primary grip is fingertip, then you should really get a mouse designed for that grip. It also makes your choice less dependent on sensor, because you probably won't be moving your mouse at breakneck speed over the table a lot. Unfortunately, I don't know a lot about that kind of mouse.
post #10 of 18
Laser mice have unavoidable acceleration that gets amplified on certain surfaces, such as cloth mouse pads. Optical mice tend to be more accurate, but they don't have as high DPI, even though you really don't need more than ~2000 ever.
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