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Hi, im trying to build a computer for gaming, mostly RTS and some RPGs. I would like to be able to play these two up coming gaming on the max settings or at least close to that upon there release, (Company of heroes http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=3345&game=Company%20of%20Heroes%202) and (Total War: Rome 2, http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=4691&game=Total%20War:%20Rome%20II)

My budget is around $750 (before shipping) and ill will be buying all my parts from the USA. I don't have a brand preference so if you would like to make some suggestions from other brands please full free to do so. I will be building the entire thing from scratch and will be keeping my old Dell SE198WFP 19 inch LCD Monitor. My resolution is 1360 by 768. I will also be keeping my old mouse, keyboard and speakers. As of yet i dont plan on over clocking and i will be running SLI somewhere down the line. I plan on ordering it within the next 2-3 weeks. I'm a little nervous when looking for parts because i'm afraid not everything would be compatible. Your in put is greatly appreciated. Thank You

NZXT Guardian Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Case 921RB-BL
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004351H9G/ref=ox_sc_act_title_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Corsair Builder Series CX 500 Watt ATX/EPS 80 PLUS (CX500) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0092ML0MY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

MSI Socket AM3+/AMD 990FX/DDR3/CrossFireX/SATA3 and USB 3.0/A and GbE/ATX Motherboard 990FXA-GD65 V2 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0082JRLP8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Gigabyte GTX650 Ti Boost GDDR5-2GB 2xDVI/HDMI/DP OC Graphics Cards GV-N65TBOC-2GD
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C12M9CM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

AMD FX-6300 FX-Series Six-Core Processor Edition, Black AM3 FD6300WMHKBOX
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009O7YORK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Corsair Vengeance Blue 8 GB (2X4 GB) PC3-12800 1600mHz DDR3 240-Pin SDRAM Dual Channel Memory Kit CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QBUL1C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Seagate Barracuda 500 GB HDD SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 16MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST500DM002
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005CT56R6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0033Z2BAQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1H9NMCPZH97BO

I have amazon pro so the total price of all these parts right now is $774.48 with a copy of windows 7

Edited by Building - 6/9/13 at 9:10pm
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People will advise a better psu, and a gigabyte Mobo with the same chipset. Maybe even a cheap cpu cooler like the EVO.
    
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Yeah, Corsair's CX series isn't up to the standards that Corsair used to have and these PSUs are also overpriced.

For the $60 price range, the 450W Rosewill CAPSTONE Series PSU is much better (much higher quality):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-CAPSTONE-Certified-ATX12V-CAPSTONE-450/dp/B006BCKDGW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1370838421&sr=1-1&keywords=450W+rosewill+capstone (free shipping)

Don't be fooled by the 450W rating vs. the 500W rating of the CX500. The +12V capacity is what matters the most, and there's only a 12W difference here: the CX500's +12V capacity is 456W while the 450W Capstone's is 444W. Then there's the fact that the CX500's 500W rating is only good up to an internal PSU temperature of 30°C while the Capstone's 450W rating is good up to 50°C. That means that the total continuous capacity goes down as the heat exceeds that rating, and 30°C is only 86°F while 50°C is 122°F.

The capacitors are also very important: the CX500 has cheap capacitors only rated for 85°C while the Capstone uses high-end Japanese capacitors rated for 105°C.

Over all, the CX500 is a major ripoff at that price because the 450W Capstone is only $5.24 more after Newegg's shipping.
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post #4 of 32
SLI is pointless for you. Demand for graphics power increases sharply with larger resolutions. Conversely, smaller resolutions like your little 1360x768 monitor don't take much oomph to run. So you can skimp on GPU for as long as you keep your small monitor.

What is a problem is your plan to play Rome 2: Total War. The Total War series is one of the hardest games to run consistently smoothly because of its demand for high performance from both your graphics card and your CPU. Graphics card is pretty much solved by your tiny resolution. But if you like to play with the largest unit sizes, you'll need a high-end CPU. If you went AMD, it'd be necessary to overclock to get the best possible performance. If you're uncomfortable with overclocking, you absolutely need the better per-core performance if Intel.

Better build for you (shipping price included):
i5-4670 ($225)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=81328&vpn=BX80646I54670&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1268

Bare-bones MSA B85 mobo ($65) Note that motherboards don't need to be fancy. If they can fit a part they generally run it fine.
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Micro-DDR3-Motherboard-B85M-P33/dp/B00D12OAOG/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1370857484&sr=1-3&keywords=B85+motherboard

2x4gb Kingston HyperX Black ($58) I recommend this primarily because it is on sale.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=78421&vpn=KHX16C9B1BK2%2F8X&manufacture=Kingston&promoid=1288

EVGA 650ti Boost ($150). With your small resolution, 1GB of VRAM is just as good as 2. For larger resolutions, not so much. Also, might even consider just getting a Radeon 7770, which should be about $50 cheaper for most models.
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GTX650Ti-Dual-Link-Graphics-01G-P4-3655-KR/dp/B00CBQNFJE/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1370858346&sr=1-4&keywords=650+ti+boost

Fractal Design Core 1000 ($30) This is a good quality mATX case. So note that it will NOT fit full-sized ATX boards. But other than that it's good to go! Also, cheap. No flashy lights like the case you had picked out, but it'll perform as well. Free shipping at us.ncix.com for orders over $100.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=81159&vpn=FD%2DCA%2DCORE%2D1000%2DUSB3%2DBL&manufacture=Fractal%20Design&promoid=1288

PSU: Rosewill Green 630w. ($50) Note that any decent 400w psu will do. I would normally recommend the rosewill green 430w here (cheaper), but with the promo code the 630w costs the same. Without promo code go with the 430w. And as mentioned above the capstone at $60 is very high quality. But as I'm currently happy with my green 430w, I figure why not save $10.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182200

Your HDD above ($55)

ASUS DVD-burner ($17 after promo code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Windows 7 ($91)
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Builder/dp/B004Q0PT3I/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1370857205&sr=1-1&keywords=windows+7

Total: $741, with a superior processor & otherwise equivalent or slightly superior components. Except perhaps case. If you like the kind of plastic monstrosity you originally picked out.
    
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The Rosewill Green seems to be on par with Corsair's CX series, and it has even been taken off the recommended PSU list:

http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies
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250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
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Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
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Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
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Anandtech calls the Rosewill Green 430w a "decent mainstream PSU"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6013/350450w-roundup-11-cheap-psus/23

Hardware secrets also calls the 630w unit good for the price.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Rosewill-Green-Series-630-W-RG630-S12-Power-Supply-Review/881/10

But most importantly - the Green power supplies have some of the quietest fans you can find on a cheap power supply. I can verify this through personal experience. It's also been noted in forum reviews:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57261

Long story short, the capstone IS higher quality when it comes to performance. But the Rosewill Greens are acceptable quality, about the same level or a bit better than the Corsair builder units. But they're cheaper than the capstones and quieter than both the capstones and the corsair builder series. Hence the recommendation.
    
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Well, I guess I shouldn't be concerned because there are no plans for overclocking. Plus, I just realized that I overlooked the fact that he wants to have a 2-way SLI setup in the future.
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Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
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post #8 of 32
Yes, but as I mentioned in my recommendations, SLI is totally unreasonable for his purposes. He doesn't have anywhere near the budget where he can go for SLI without compromising performance now. And with is current monitor there's absolutely no reason to SLI anyway. So I ignored his desire to plan for SLI in my recommendations. He can revisit that next upgrade when he has a new monitor setup.
    
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Originally Posted by MisterFred View Post

Yes, but as I mentioned in my recommendations, SLI is totally unreasonable for his purposes. He doesn't have anywhere near the budget where he can go for SLI without compromising performance now. And with is current monitor there's absolutely no reason to SLI anyway. So I ignored his desire to plan for SLI in my recommendations. He can revisit that next upgrade when he has a new monitor setup.

The reason I said that is you recommended the 630W Rosewill Green Series. If he were to always have one video card, then he could get the 450W Capstone. Although, it would be plenty of power for two 650 Ti Boosts in SLI if no overclocking is done (and he said he won't be overclocking). So he could go with the 450W Capstone and get another 650 Ti Boost down the road if he really wanted to, or just upgrade to a better card and stay with just a single-card setup.
Edited by TwoCables - 6/10/13 at 7:19am
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Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
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i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
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post #10 of 32
I wish I could contribute more, but Cables and Fred have already done an outstanding job guiding the OP to a better build based on his requirements.

Personally, I would follow Cables' suggestion of getting the 450W Capstone.
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