Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel - General › It's about time for an upgrade.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

It's about time for an upgrade.

post #1 of 74
Thread Starter 
My sig rig has given me nightmares for three years. Can't get it to post, no SLI hack, screen freezing...

I got fed up, I sent back my GTX 470s to Gigabyte (hopefully, they send me back two GTX 660s) & I am looking into a CPU/motherboard upgrade.


I am not sure I am going to switch over my H100 cooler to the intel CPU, but I do have all the screws and brackets. Isn't there a newer revision out to the H100, should I be concerned that my older model won't cut it?

I am some-what tight on money, but I want to play this out slowly and be patient.

I am willing to wait six months to upgrade, but would like to know what is to come in the future: Any more CPUs dropping worth considering if I'm on a budget?

If I end up getting my 470s back, and not even one 660... then I'll definitely be looking here for someone to chime in about an upgrade. 770GTX?


I know I haven't mentioned a price range, but first I'd like to say I will be using this computer mainly for gaming. I play an MMORPG called AION, but I have a large history of FPS gaming... so I must prepare for both MMORPGs and FPSs. I enjoy recording and editing game play, but it's really not a necessity. My upload speed is 1.5MBp/s and I'm not too happy with that, but this thread is about hardware and not my ISP.

Would it be worth it to purchase a new SSD? Or since I'm going the Intel route, should I just look into using both my x-25s in RAID 0 for my operating system?

tl;dr: My main focus is CPU/motherboard, can you please post something for a semi-competitive gamer that does some sort of video editing (very rarely). I'll chime back in a week with my GPU situation.
Edited by xquisit - 6/10/13 at 7:51pm
King state
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-5820k MSI X99A Raider EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW Patriot Viper DDR4 3000MHz (4x4GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 500GB Corsair H110i GT Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VG248QE24" 144Hz TN 3D  
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2715H 27" 1440P IPS KBC Pok3r III ~CherryMX Red SeaSonic x-750 NZXT S340 ~White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech MX5818 SteelSeries Q+ FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 
  hide details  
Reply
King state
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-5820k MSI X99A Raider EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW Patriot Viper DDR4 3000MHz (4x4GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 500GB Corsair H110i GT Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VG248QE24" 144Hz TN 3D  
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2715H 27" 1440P IPS KBC Pok3r III ~CherryMX Red SeaSonic x-750 NZXT S340 ~White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech MX5818 SteelSeries Q+ FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #2 of 74
Thread Starter 
Also, would I be looking into de-lidding these new processors? is it worth such a thing?
King state
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-5820k MSI X99A Raider EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW Patriot Viper DDR4 3000MHz (4x4GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 500GB Corsair H110i GT Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VG248QE24" 144Hz TN 3D  
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2715H 27" 1440P IPS KBC Pok3r III ~CherryMX Red SeaSonic x-750 NZXT S340 ~White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech MX5818 SteelSeries Q+ FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 
  hide details  
Reply
King state
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-5820k MSI X99A Raider EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW Patriot Viper DDR4 3000MHz (4x4GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 500GB Corsair H110i GT Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VG248QE24" 144Hz TN 3D  
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2715H 27" 1440P IPS KBC Pok3r III ~CherryMX Red SeaSonic x-750 NZXT S340 ~White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech MX5818 SteelSeries Q+ FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 74
ASRock Z87 Extreme6 LGA 1150 - $169.99 (@ Newegg.com)
Intel Core i5-4670K Quad-Core Desktop Processor - $225 (@Amazon.com)

Total: $394.99

The H100 will be fine, you might just have to get updated brackets from Corsair for the 1150 socket (Haswell). Might want to look into upgrading the fans, and putting the unit into Push/Pull. Could increase the performance a little bit.

There are no CPU's dropping within your budget on Intel side in the next 6 months. AMD has a couple nice things worth looking into, possibly if you want to stay comfortable. For example, the FX-8770 or FX-9000. Sure they will be out by the time you are looking into upgrading. Might end up costing you as much as a Haswell build though.

A single GTX 770 will probably blow you away. My friend and I picked one up for him the day they released. EVGA Superclocked. Out of the box we had it doing 1300MHz core and 7600MHz memory. Took us about 30 mins. We could have even went further on the memory but he wanted to start playing with it. Pulled a 10,300 3DMark11 score on a 4.2GHz i7 960. Pretty damn good, IMO. 770 is definitely a great option for you.

Your SSD's are kind of dated, as a matter a fact I would bet a pair of Velociraptors in Raid 0 would be much faster than your SSD's. You can grab a 240GB Intel 335 Series for $162 off of Amazon.com. That would be much faster than your old drives.

thumb.gif
post #4 of 74
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ View Post

ASRock Z87 Extreme6 LGA 1150 - $169.99 (@ Newegg.com)
Intel Core i5-4670K Quad-Core Desktop Processor - $225 (@Amazon.com)

Total: $394.99

The H100 will be fine, you might just have to get updated brackets from Corsair for the 1150 socket (Haswell). Might want to look into upgrading the fans, and putting the unit into Push/Pull. Could increase the performance a little bit.

There are no CPU's dropping within your budget on Intel side in the next 6 months. AMD has a couple nice things worth looking into, possibly if you want to stay comfortable. For example, the FX-8770 or FX-9000. Sure they will be out by the time you are looking into upgrading. Might end up costing you as much as a Haswell build though.

A single GTX 770 will probably blow you away. My friend and I picked one up for him the day they released. EVGA Superclocked. Out of the box we had it doing 1300MHz core and 7600MHz memory. Took us about 30 mins. We could have even went further on the memory but he wanted to start playing with it. Pulled a 10,300 3DMark11 score on a 4.2GHz i7 960. Pretty damn good, IMO. 770 is definitely a great option for you.

Your SSD's are kind of dated, as a matter a fact I would bet a pair of Velociraptors in Raid 0 would be much faster than your SSD's. You can grab a 240GB Intel 335 Series for $162 off of Amazon.com. That would be much faster than your old drives.

thumb.gif


I was waiting all day for a response, hoping I'd get one (even though there are a bunch of great noobie build threads to browse already). Some questions:

ASRock mobo, do they have quality VRMs compared to their competitors? I'm no overclocking buff, but I'd like to have a quality motherboard this time around! It might even lead to bigger and better things: inquiring about water-cooling could be one of them!

GTX770 would be supported just fine with my SeaSonic X750? I'd want to overclock it along with the Intel CPU i end up picking..

About the CPU: the i7 I bet is around $65 more, if not $100? I'm assuming it's best for me to get the i5 and spend that money towards a nice GPU (I am a gamer afterall, I'm sure I could suffice with my 965 and c3 FORMULA...but they could be giving me problems...so I want a fresh start).
King state
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-5820k MSI X99A Raider EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW Patriot Viper DDR4 3000MHz (4x4GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 500GB Corsair H110i GT Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VG248QE24" 144Hz TN 3D  
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2715H 27" 1440P IPS KBC Pok3r III ~CherryMX Red SeaSonic x-750 NZXT S340 ~White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech MX5818 SteelSeries Q+ FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 
  hide details  
Reply
King state
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-5820k MSI X99A Raider EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW Patriot Viper DDR4 3000MHz (4x4GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 500GB Corsair H110i GT Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VG248QE24" 144Hz TN 3D  
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2715H 27" 1440P IPS KBC Pok3r III ~CherryMX Red SeaSonic x-750 NZXT S340 ~White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech MX5818 SteelSeries Q+ FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5 of 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by xquisit View Post

I was waiting all day for a response, hoping I'd get one (even though there are a bunch of great noobie build threads to browse already). Some questions:

ASRock mobo, do they have quality VRMs compared to their competitors? I'm no overclocking buff, but I'd like to have a quality motherboard this time around! It might even lead to bigger and better things: inquiring about water-cooling could be one of them!

GTX770 would be supported just fine with my SeaSonic X750? I'd want to overclock it along with the Intel CPU i end up picking..

About the CPU: the i7 I bet is around $65 more, if not $100? I'm assuming it's best for me to get the i5 and spend that money towards a nice GPU (I am a gamer afterall, I'm sure I could suffice with my 965 and c3 FORMULA...but they could be giving me problems...so I want a fresh start).

The whole Z87 series from ASRock was redone with higher quality components, with the Z77 series basically anything above the Extreme4 was top notch. However, with the Z87 series motherboards everything is top quality components. ASRock has really set a new standard in providing great quality motherboards with very competitive prices. Their UEFI is easily navigable, and very organized; as well as pleasing to the eye. They constantly have updates for the Bios, even beta Bios updates. They also keep updates on all of their software and utilities. I grabbed my ASRock board on a whim, and I will never choose another company again for my motherboards for the rest of my computer building future. Hope that says enough about them. Either way, overclocking on ASRock boards is pretty simple. So simple, that I went from an overclocked Athlon 64 3700+ (Socket 754) to the 2500k + ASRock 1155 motherboard and had the chip sitting at 4.8GHz stable in about 45mins with a quick read on these forums basically (meaning I had absolutely no overclocking knowledge on Intel, or anything recent for that matter).

The Seasonic X750 would be enough for two overclocked GTX 770's and an overclocked 4670k to be honest. More than enough.

Doubt you will utilize the HT on the i7, for gaming the i5 is more than enough. Most games don't utilize the extra threads. Only time I see those threads being useful is if you use software that can make use of them. If you game, and make the move from your current rig to a 4670k you will most likely be blown away by gaming performance.

thumb.gif
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 6/11/13 at 2:20am
post #6 of 74
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ View Post

The whole Z87 series from ASRock was redone with higher quality components, with the Z77 series basically anything above the Extreme4 was top notch. However, with the Z87 series motherboards everything is top quality components. ASRock has really set a new standard in providing great quality motherboards with very competitive prices. Their UEFI is easily navigable, and very organized; as well as pleasing to the eye. They constantly have updates for the Bios, even beta Bios updates. They also keep updates on all of their software and utilities. I grabbed my ASRock board on a whim, and I will never choose another company again for my motherboards for the rest of my computer building future. Hope that says enough about them. Either way, overclocking on ASRock boards is pretty simple. So simple, that I went from an overclocked Athlon 64 3700+ (Socket 754) to the 2500k + ASRock 1155 motherboard and had the chip sitting at 4.8GHz stable in about 45mins with a quick read on these forums basically (meaning I had absolutely no overclocking knowledge on Intel, or anything recent for that matter).

The Seasonic X750 would be enough for two overclocked GTX 770's and an overclocked 4670k to be honest. More than enough.

Doubt you will utilize the HT on the i7, for gaming the i5 is more than enough. Most games don't utilize the extra threads. Only time I see those threads being useful is if you use software that can make use of them. If you game, and make the move from your current rig to a 4670k you will most likely be blown away by gaming performance.

thumb.gif

Detailed responses, such as yours, are always much appreciated in my books! I am pleased to say, i will be looking into the ASRock motherboard you recommended and I'm thankful for the story.

Would Hyper threading help with streaming my game live? I don't know why, but I saw someone post this information and forgot to PM him and question him. (Pretty much a noobie thread was asking if he should spend more for an i7 vs the i5.. and someone gave him that response about HT helping with streaming).

I would definitely like to over-click, but I am worried about damaging my chip by deli dding it; Furthermore, I know I'm not obligated to do such a thing...but is it really recommended if I want the most out of my chip?

I knew the SeaSonic was a quality build PSU, but I had no IDEA that it could handle those three components overclocked!
King state
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-5820k MSI X99A Raider EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW Patriot Viper DDR4 3000MHz (4x4GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 500GB Corsair H110i GT Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VG248QE24" 144Hz TN 3D  
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2715H 27" 1440P IPS KBC Pok3r III ~CherryMX Red SeaSonic x-750 NZXT S340 ~White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech MX5818 SteelSeries Q+ FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 
  hide details  
Reply
King state
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-5820k MSI X99A Raider EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW Patriot Viper DDR4 3000MHz (4x4GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 500GB Corsair H110i GT Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VG248QE24" 144Hz TN 3D  
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2715H 27" 1440P IPS KBC Pok3r III ~CherryMX Red SeaSonic x-750 NZXT S340 ~White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech MX5818 SteelSeries Q+ FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #7 of 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by xquisit View Post

Detailed responses, such as yours, are always much appreciated in my books! I am pleased to say, i will be looking into the ASRock motherboard you recommended and I'm thankful for the story.

Would Hyper threading help with streaming my game live? I don't know why, but I saw someone post this information and forgot to PM him and question him. (Pretty much a noobie thread was asking if he should spend more for an i7 vs the i5.. and someone gave him that response about HT helping with streaming).

I would definitely like to over-click, but I am worried about damaging my chip by deli dding it; Furthermore, I know I'm not obligated to do such a thing...but is it really recommended if I want the most out of my chip?

I knew the SeaSonic was a quality build PSU, but I had no IDEA that it could handle those three components overclocked!

No problem, helping people is what I enjoy doing. Regardless of what it involves. Hope the story helped elaborate everything properly as well.

Some live stream services do utilize multithreading like TwitchTV, not sure about anything else (they have a multithreaded optimization option). Doubt it would make that much of a difference to be honest. Not sure if it's worth $100 difference. Up to you I guess.

You don't have to delid your chip to overclock. You can easily get a 4.4-4.6GHz overclock out of Haswell on an H100 no problem. Delidding just will allow you to overclock further because of lower temperatures but it is not necessarily required at all.

Seasonic is top quality, and their X-Series PSUs are quite exceptional units. I would not be worried about having an overclocked 4670k and two 770's at all.
post #8 of 74
Thread Starter 
I just need to start saving up then... This is what counts, I know what I want to buy then I acquire the currency. I enjoy working for upgrades!

I doubt $100 is worth the HT for a pure gamer that rarely edits or streams (1.5MBp/s upload speed isn't worth streaming my gaming experience..if it'll hinder my gameplay).

I have never had a sound card in my life, so maybe the money I'm saving with the i5 I can spend towards a 770 (if my two 470s don't get warrantied to a 660, or even one)... or I can get a real sound card (or first buy a pair of cans).
King state
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-5820k MSI X99A Raider EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW Patriot Viper DDR4 3000MHz (4x4GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 500GB Corsair H110i GT Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VG248QE24" 144Hz TN 3D  
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2715H 27" 1440P IPS KBC Pok3r III ~CherryMX Red SeaSonic x-750 NZXT S340 ~White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech MX5818 SteelSeries Q+ FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 
  hide details  
Reply
King state
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-5820k MSI X99A Raider EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW Patriot Viper DDR4 3000MHz (4x4GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 500GB Corsair H110i GT Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VG248QE24" 144Hz TN 3D  
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2715H 27" 1440P IPS KBC Pok3r III ~CherryMX Red SeaSonic x-750 NZXT S340 ~White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech MX5818 SteelSeries Q+ FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #9 of 74
Xquisit, I would invest into a sound card if you can spare the coin. The included onboard sound is pretty decent if you go with a high end 1150 motherboard but will still be out performed by a dedicated 50-100 dollar sound card. Plus you can take the card out and use it in your next rig. I've used the Asus Xonar DGX, Xonar DX, and currently use the Essence STX which drive my 150ohm headphones very well. All worked very well for my needs at the time.
post #10 of 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by xquisit View Post

I just need to start saving up then... This is what counts, I know what I want to buy then I acquire the currency. I enjoy working for upgrades!

I doubt $100 is worth the HT for a pure gamer that rarely edits or streams (1.5MBp/s upload speed isn't worth streaming my gaming experience..if it'll hinder my gameplay).

I have never had a sound card in my life, so maybe the money I'm saving with the i5 I can spend towards a 770 (if my two 470s don't get warrantied to a 660, or even one)... or I can get a real sound card (or first buy a pair of cans).

For a pure gamer, who rarely does video editing or streams, yeah the HT is not worth it.

ASRock actually redid their whole onboard audio for the Z87 series. Might want to hear how it sounds before you start worrying about that. Otherwise any ASUS Xonar series will work wonders.

http://www.asrock.com/news/?cat=News&id=1263
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Intel - General
Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel - General › It's about time for an upgrade.