Originally Posted by DzillaXx
First off Old drivers and stock clocks(680 scores don't match), If he will be doing any overclocking he will be boosting two cards not one. In the Overclock game The GTX660's alone could provide GTX780 like performance with a simple OC, might not have the bus advantage but at 1080p you will have more GPU power to push your games with. I have been using SLI/CF for years now, anyone who talks crap about it is a damn fool. This is not the DX9 days, Days of Poor scaling and weird frame spikes using SLI are mostly gone. A good driver is what is needed.
GTX770 is a OCed GTX680, it has limitations not much higher then a gtx660. OC headroom isn't grand ether. Still forced to use the same limiting 2GB that will probably give you problems a year down the road. Over the GTX660's he would have right away the GTX770 bring nothing but less performance. In terms of Future Proofing even the HD7970 would do a much better job, Some games already have no problem eating 2gb of v-ram at 1080p. He will be in no better spot with the GTX770 then he would with GTX660 SLI, especially at 1080p.
Yo could easily OC those 660's past what the GTX770 can do with no problem. IF OP is into that type of thing, your looking a a pretty decent advantage. Even my GTX470 stock vs Overclocked is a huge difference. Now your adding two of them together....
Your telling him he should spend even more time not playing games just so he could sell what he has to get a single card that SIMPLY won't provide as good of a experience in 85% of games. My best friend has a HD7950 (at stock
) but it clearly is inferior in 90% of games I have played. Also have a buddy with a GTX660ti that I overclocked to the brim for him, Also sucks on 90% of the games compared to my setup. Are you implying I suffer from frame drops or anything like that? As I don't, Smooth and 120hz fluid. SLI has been perfectly fine since the GTX200 series. Even My 4870 CF was golden, even though sometimes you had to wait for a driver but Nvidia is the same.
Also Posting a 3DMark11 score after bashing me for using it
It would be one thing if OP didn't want to OC, if he Did the GTX660 is the better choice.
Though OP has no reason to even consider SLI or CF on a Phenom II
If he gets the 4670K and wanted to maximize frame rate the 660 sli is the way to go. Not talking a few frames ether, like 10-20+. Only thing the GTX660's would be weak is for going beyond 1080p, but the GTX770 really isn't fit for anything other then 1080p as well.
Though for best Price/Performance a 7950CF would be the best route. 3GB of Ram and a Bus that can use it properly, CF drivers that should be coming in a month or so. Get one now and get the other later. Faster then a Titan for less $$. Has games you could sell to make money back.
You really think older drivers is going to change the scores to some drastic ridiculous difference? Overclocked or not overclocked they will provide the same exact results regardless of the nonsense you want to spew. One can just do it with one card as opposed to needing two. You keep talking about overclocking, but you have no idea what you are saying because the 770 overclocks VERY VERY WELL. I have personal experience with one, and they overclock spectacular. With all your speculation, I actually have solid facts to back up my claims. Where you are just coming up with ideas as you go along. A 770 can come to 780 performance as well. Not that hard. You keep talking about more GPU power, no. Look at the charts. Facts are facts and I'd be willing to bet any other review you look at will be just as similar. Nobody is saying the scaling with SLI is bad, or anything about lag or stutter or whatever straw man arguments you want to throw in for dissuading the discussion away from the facts. Facts are facts, SLI 660's are as powerful as a single 770. Except not limited by the 192-bit bus interface.
The 770 isn't an overclocked 680. I've played with one for over 2 hours. It is a proper refresh. If you actually look at the differences between the 680 and 770 you will come to find that the 770 actually is a very nice refresh for what they did. Saying overclocked headroom isn't grand is just a plain out lie. We took the memory so far one the 770 I had access to we we're wondering when it would stop, I'm talking about +600 on eVGA Precision in Heaven Benchmark. We could have kept going, but we wanted to see in game performance. The 770 not only brings NEAR IDENTICAL performance as the 660's, except one thing. It has a much better resale value for the future when and if problems every arise from the 2GB VRAM. Try selling a 770 in two years, and then try selling a 660 in two years. Tell me how that goes.
Whatever you could overclock those 660's to, you could overclock a 770 to come close to matching it. In the end, we are talking about two 660's, and nothing more than two 660's. Adding two of them overclocked or not, it's still just two 660's. Anyone with half a brain on this forum knows it is always better to go with one stronger card opposed to two weaker cards.
The performance is nearly identical, you are one of those people who ignores the facts because they don't fit their opinions. Saying it won't provide as a good of an experience in any percentage of games is just ridiculously insane and uneducated. You also are using examples, that cannot be addressed in this discussion because we don't know the full specs on these rigs or what the scenarios are exactly. You are using examples to make your opinions sound more warranted. Which is completely unscientific in any manner whatsoever. I'm providing clear cut reviews that show you with your eyes what I'm talking about. You are simply saying, "my friend's stock 7950 isn't as good as my experience." Awesome source you have there. Oh my friend's slightly overclocked 660Ti isn't as good as my SLI 470's (omg, really no way?). A single slightly overclocked 660Ti with a 192-bit bus interface not performing as good as SLI 470's with a 320-bit bus memory interface. Add a second 660Ti then let's see what happens. Besides, we don't even know what processors they are using and if their setups are being bottlenecked.
I never said SLI was a hassle, I loved my SLI setup. However recommending an SLI setup over a single card solution is just pure nonsense. If you have the ability to go with a single card solution you should.
I used that as a reference because it was simpler than trying to post all the games which will just give you the same exact results.
For instance, BF3 your favorite game to use as an example:
@1920x1200 (resolutions people are actually playing at)
SLI MSI Twin Frozr GTX 660's: 77 FPS
Single EVGA GTX 770 SC: 71 FPS
Omg, a whole 8 frames more. You want to scream old drivers, well the 770 just came out. I'm sure newer drivers will also tighten up that gap as well.
Now let's do Sleeping Dogs:
Now let's take note of two important factors in this mostly insignificant 12 fps difference, that would be non-existent otherwise;
1) The GTX 770 is a reference model while the 660's are Asus DirectCU II TOP models
2) The GTX 770 is running at 1920x1200, while the SLI 660's are running at 1920x1080 a 120 pixel difference.
So even though the 660's have 120 pixel less advantage, and are overclocked whereas the 770 is a reference model and also trying to run 120 more pixels. In the end the 660's only can do 12 more fps. If they were both at 1080p and perhaps the 770 was a factory overclocked model. I'd be willing to bet that their would be little to no fps advantage on the 660's.
If the OP is going to overclock, which I'm sure he is. The 660's won't have any advantage, the 770 overclocks wonderfully. I've seen it in action. It's a solid card, and is not an overclocked 680 because it has its ENTIRELY own overclocking headroom. The model I had my hands on did 1300MHz core and 7600MHz memory. It did 7700 MHz memory, even 7800MHz memory just as fine. We could probably get it to do 8000MHz memory like a lot of people have been getting it to do. Again, facts, not speculation.
Maximize the frame rates? We are not talking about 10-20 fps. We are talking about 10 fps, tops, that's it no more. The 660's will have no resale value in 2 years. The 770 will. If he wants to get most for his money, he needs to sell now and buy a recent current GPU. Even though anything above 1080p isn't the best scenario for the 770. SLI 770's will be able to drive games for the next two years at 1440p easily. Try that with the 660's.
7950 crossfire solution is still about $600 give or take $20-40. The 770 I had my hands on costed a total of $420. How is that even a comparison for you? With the 7950's at $270-300 now how much do you think they will run used in two years? The resale of a 770 will be much better than 7950 in two years. Without a question. Building a new rig is about future proofing it, not losing more money later on because of making stupid and unwise decisions. Not selling those 660's now would be one of those. Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 6/12/13 at 11:26pm