Originally Posted by xquisit
I guess I shouldn't be playing an MMORPG past 1080p anyway... that's way to taxing it seems. I'd like to upgrade my monitor someday, but for now I have no more money to think about it (it can wait a year).
1600x1200, Is this alright for now? 85 frames per second is achievable in modern games?
I am going with the I5-4670k, but scroll up to my recent post.. which motherboard to get for the bundle?
MMORPG's tend to be more CPU heavy. Switching to that New i5 would make for a nice upgrade in those types of games.
Gigabytes UD4H would be be a nice board, gigabyte as a pretty killer lineup of 1150 boards.
As for selling the cards, trying to get retail price for something they might even get a warranty for might not go over as well. Though get at least 180-200 each.
They might send you refurb GTX660's and not full retail as well.
Also OP sorry for derailing this thread like I'm about to do in this next part.
But i'm seeing someone saying wrong things on the internet
Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ
You stopped reading because you are deluded, nothing else.
Personally I did end up reading it, for 3Dmark11 it is one thing but some of those games are using totally different drivers. Not to mention that Even in the 3dmark11 photo the gtx680's don't match up, probably because they are using different cpu's or higher overclocks. 3dmark11 is still effected by the CPU a fair amount, and SLI scaling tends to work better as well when the CPU isn't being held back.
If you look at the 3dmark11 photos you posed you will notice that if you take the difference between the 660sli and gtx680 and compare it to the second photo with the 770 and 780 you will notice it comes out to 11618P. And that is without possible driver update, better SLI scaling, Better CPU (probably causing better SLI performance at the same time). Can't take my word for this next part as I wasn't going to try and look up current 3dmark11 scores with gtx660's. But 11.8-12.0P probably at stock wouldn't be a big surprise ATM with a Decent CPU. That is Stock GTX780 range not GTX770.
Driver improvements are not going to change anything that drastically (this isn't AMD we are talking about here), anyone thinking rationally knows that. Since you think irrationally, and live in imaginary land. Obviously to you this is not the case. However, hate to break it to you yet again, but you are wrong. The GTX 770 performs as good as SLI 660's.
Driver updates have improved so many games, even games like sleeping dogs. Especially when looking at SLI, what thrives from optimized drivers.
GTX770 will be close no doubt, and nice if you don't have to worry about SLI. If he was staying on his Phenom II I wouldn't recommend using the 660's at all and already stated that. But on the Simple level of being "Faster" GTX660 SLI is the one. Now for MMO's that many don't take to SLI as well as a single card that would be different, but AION is one that works fine (or does with me).
You are lashing out at me now with personal attacks because you get shut down with every single post you make. You have been disproved with every single statement you have made int his thread. The irony of calling someone stupid, are you really that insane? Like literally man, you are a lunatic. So delusional it's not even funny.
Here we go with the strawman tactics. Making statements that are completely irrelevant to the discussion and not even accurate analogies whatsoever. That's ok, I already know how you feel to be proven wrong every single time you tried to say something. It's not your fault really, you're just in denial now. That's fine though, you along with hundreds of millions of people on these forums and off of these forums that are in denial.
If I recall your the one that started with the attacks. For One I stated before I was at work and wasn't going to go looking through the internet for the few people that posted recent 660sli benchmarks, when I could compare them to my cards and give a good estimate on the different to others. Now lets to the same math as the 3DMark11 test above with sleeping dogs, at the end the GTX660sli would have 95fps compared to GTX770's 81fps. And still no added boost from drivers and whatnot. Again putting it more near a stock gtx780. Drivers don't matter
You are wrong, stop trolling. Two 660's do not perform significantly better than a 770 - they are practically equal. You are acting like a nut case now. You have been shown fact after fact that you are wrong, but you are still continuing on spewing your incessant verbal diarrhea of the mouth. The reviews I showed you proven exactly what I have been saying. Their performance advantage over a single 770 is little to none. Meaning barely. Do you know what barely means? It's not even relevant. Do you understand what that means? A few fps. 5-8 at most. Stop being insane. It is slightly faster. It will always be slightly faster. Nothing more nothing less. You are either trolling or you just have the brain capacity of my shoe.
I love it how the guy who was ranting and raving about his 470's being top performers outperforming all of his friends setups is now back peddling quite quickly trying to say that cards with 2GB of VRAM is now a joke. Even though his cards have 320-bit bus interface with only 1.25GB of VRAM to work with. More irony. With Amazon.com and eBay. It will take you a week tops to sell those cards. Even quicker if they are listed as BNIB. Why are you exaggerating to make your claims sound better? It's so maniacal. How is comparing 2 weak 660's that you are getting for free brand new in box, in any way shape or form comparative to a 670 user who already owns a 670 going to a 770? That makes no sense and is a terribly analogy. Maybe if I talk like cave man you understand. Two weak cards bad, one strong card good.
First off a GTX660 is better then a GTX470. GTX470 might have a 320bit bus, but has half the memory clock. The GTX660 has 144GB/s bandwidth and GTX470 has 134GB/s. GTX660 also has a TMU advantage, but lacks in ROP's (by almost half). Really the only way the GTX470 makes up for itself is it's superior AA ability. But the lack of Video Memory hampers turning that AA up anyways on most newer games. While the GTX470 was one of nvidia's best overclocking cards during the 400/500series, the GTX660 is also able to get 250mhz+ from the core. Plus pretty decent memory clock, and the faster memory in general should have better latency on the GTX660. Overclock them to 1200-1300mhz and you got yourself a pretty decent card.
I didn't say my 470's were always better then my friends, my buddy with the 7950 plays bioshock better. But in terms of GPU power and games that don't need to much v-ram these old girls can still out do much newer cards still. Plus they are on water so simply jumping to a different card for a short time isn't that appealing. Having to drain
Waiting for a Nice big jump that doesn't require me getting two cards. Nvidia hampering overclocks and AMD's drivers being mediocre for the first year wasn't to appealing ether. Though some took the jump for power usage reasons or simply wanting to go back to a single card again.
Why would he go for a card that he won't even need? He's not even playing at 1080p yet let alone 1440p or 1600p how can he make use of a 7950 or 7970 or a GTX 780 for that matter? Why do you continue on this irrational thinking path of yours? You have taken insanity and delusional thinking to another level.
IDK maybe because OP still has GTX470's so maybe he keeps his cards for a long time. 2-3 years down the road doesn't look so hot for only having 2GB of v-ram. Next Gen console have plenty of RAM in them so pushing Texture size is probably not going to be nice for some people. Even 4GB GTX770 cards have the problem with 256bit bus, as using 4GB in a useful fashion down the road isn't going to be pretty when you don't have the bandwidth to handle it. GTX7950 is cheaper and still does everything he likes with ease, has 3GB of RAM and a bandwidth that will have no problem driving data through. Though Really it is personal choice, and if OP wants Nvidia then so be it. Nothing is wrong with Nvidia. But selling two GTX660's to get a single GTX770, other then saving power or less heat output I don't see the point.... Though game selection does come into play with that one as well, if the games you like to play most are not that SLI friendly then might as well go for the single card.
Though One only has to look at the new Bioshock, Metro, or Crysis game to know how easy games like those can eat your memory away just with a some MSAA.
My love for nVidia? You need to stop making assumptions. I recommend AMD cards on these forums all the time; actually more than nVidia. Except with these new releases, AMD ain't the best bang for the buck anymore sorry to break it to you. Besides, my card will take a dump on Watch Dogs, and a 770 would be capable of doing the same. Just like my 670 did with Metro Last Light, Crysis 3, Far Cry 3, Hitman Absolution, Sleeping Dogs, and Bioshock Infinite. @ 1080p with my Single 670 I played all those games Maxed Out with some sort of AA. With more than playable FPS. Smooth as butter. Call me back when you find your brain, I'm sure it's somewhere lost in that gigantic head of yours.
I do have to say that for $400 the GTX770 is a pretty good deal, though the gtx7970 is still little cheaper and can still OC vary well (for people that like that) and comes with free games. Though the HD7950 at $300 is one of the best deals for that price range, Nvidia really doesn't have anything to counter that Price/Performance
AMD has most of the lower end as well in terms of price/performance. I would recommend the GTX770 over the 7970, but if your looking to save money and still have great performance 7950 all the way.
We have yet to see HD8000 series yet, HD8970 could vary well give us GTX780 speed for $100 less. Though until we see it it is nothing but rumor, but so was the GTX680 at one point.
And as for the Overclocking difference between the GTX770 and the GTX660's
GTX770 is already turboing pretty high at stock
While the GTX770 will have higher max clocks, the 660 simply aren't going to boost as high but will only be around 100-150mhz behind on total max OC level on most cards. Less distance if your lucky.
The Gigabyte gtx660's OP are getting are Oc models as well.Edited by DzillaXx - 6/13/13 at 7:54am