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^ Yeah, I doubt the sensor is anything too great on the Handshoe, so not a gaming choice tongue.gif Aaaand the wrist rest is distracting, even though it should be good for desktop use and stuff, as you said

Be sure to CTRL+F the word "lift" on the Handshoe manual, there they talk about the "sensor off" mechanism you want. I think that's a pretty innovative way to replace lifting. I don't know how it works in practice but it sounds like you could adjust fairly easily.
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the func MS-3 is a really ergonomic mouse
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Be sure to CTRL+F the word "lift" on the Handshoe manual, there they talk about the "sensor off" mechanism you want. I think that's a pretty innovative way to replace lifting. I don't know how it works in practice but it sounds like you could adjust fairly easily.
No, i have read that. It's a good solution, but really just too expensive. And i think this also sacrifices grip. So i am thinking and yes of course the wrist rest of the mouse should be detachable. Don't know why i restricted it to be part of the mold for a moment. Or lets just forget about that lol. The thing is it makes tank simulation for instance really enjoyable (as long as you're not picking it up). Still, a real ergo mouse even without wrist rest can't be picked up as easy, so a sensor-off-button would be great. PTE got its chance here.
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My hand never grips my mouse unless I need to pick it up for things like moving my mouse without moving my pointer.
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I say "using" because I don't hold the mouse; I just rest my hand on it and move it around.

It sounds like you can not have both at same time. is it possible to have both? A mouse usable when you hold it. ?

Edit: My approach:! (Click to show)


red marked area is the "here to grip/hold area". Only a idea so far. But where to place the buttons? xD

Edited by Thunderbringer - 6/10/13 at 1:56pm
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red marked area is the "here to grip/hold area". Only a idea so far. But where to place the buttons? xD
Buttons are software : your webcam associates clicks with blinks of your eyes, just make sure you have enough eye drops to withstand a long gaming session if you don't want to waist ammo ig. (jk)

I feel like the many shape of hands and the various type of grip makes it impossible (I realy mean economicaly not viable) for a company to develop that many different versions of the same mouse. One just have to adapt to the shape of the mouse he feels best suited for his grip. I have been using a razer imperator that broke and I got me a new one because it just feels right, suited, although it's realy my hand that is "shaped" by now. The downside is : I used to have some muscle spasms (the base of the thumb for the most part) while not on the mouse. I think it's not that much related to the poor ergonomics of the razer mouse but to the poor ergonomics of all the mice I used through childhood which leave me now with a crooked index and middle finger. Nowadays' parents should be aware of that when letting their children use the computer.
Edited by kamimaru - 6/11/13 at 12:59am
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I'm sorry, but it just doesn't get any more ergonomic than the Intellimouse Optical
For mainstream mice, this has also been my experience. I personally would prefer its height be a little lower with the side buttons, but I currently haven't found a mouse more comfortable than this. The MS Comfort mouse 6000 is also very good for a palm grip, but has a delay in the scroll wheel button and aggressive angle snapping. I just wish its 400dpi sensor in the IMO was enough for me.

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Perfect mouse for what you want, and it doesn't break the bank while being customizable: Mionix Naos 3200.
The problem with the Naos and Func MS-3 is that they're both exclusively for people who use a two finger position instead of a three finger one. I prefer 3 finger grip (ring finger on the right mouse button, middle finger on the wheel) as it gives all my fingers access to more buttons, whereas mice like these assume you're holding the mouse only one way.


I've considered buying this mouse before, but I read that the scroll wheel is shoddy and will break after a while:




That looks like a great shape for a mouse for palm grippers, (they make both right and left hand models). Why is this the ONLY COMPANY making mice shaped like this? Why aren't there a dozen knockoffs of this shape? It strikes me as intuitive that a mouse shaped like your hand would be comfortable, but apparently most companies don't want to do that.

Again, this isn't for claw grippers, but you guys already have lots of good options.
Edited by chilledinsanity - 6/11/13 at 1:16am
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It sounds like you can not have both at same time. is it possible to have both? A mouse usable when you hold it. ?

Absolutely, but it's not possible to relax when you're holding the mouse. With the way I use the mouse, you could lift my hand up off the mouse and the mouse would stay where it is. My hand is just resting on top of it, and so when I move, the mouse moves. The only time I ever hold the mouse is when I lift it up a little bit (I kind of tilt it up) in order to move the mouse without moving the pointer.

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Edit: My approach:! (Click to show)


red marked area is the "here to grip/hold area". Only a idea so far. But where to place the buttons? xD

When I actually hold my mouse (for lifting it up as i described before), the only parts of my hand involved in holding/lifting the mouse are my thumb, ring finger, and a part of my palm. When my hand is just resting on my mouse (for the purpose of using the mouse), it's exactly the same parts of my hand that helps move the mouse with a tiny bit of help from my middle finger, but it's very subtle.

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For mainstream mice, this has also been my experience. I personally would prefer its height be a little lower with the side buttons

For me, this would result in accidentally pressing those buttons, especially when I need to lift the mouse up a little in order to move it without moving the pointer. I also sometimes need a little bit of a grip between my thumb and ring finger on the sides of the mouse, and the solid part underneath the left side button is perfect for my thumb, and the solid part on the right side towards the front is perfect for the tip of my ring finger because that's the part that grips when I need to lift the mouse (of course, a part of my palm gets involved too). So I feel that if the side buttons were lower, then this mouse would be less ergonomic.
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I think everyone ignored my submission of the Cyborg RAT 7 and its modularness...
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I think everyone ignored my submission of the Cyborg RAT 7 and its modularness...

It is modular, but I have a RAT 7 and it's quite uncomfortable no matter how much you try to customize it!
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It is modular, but I have a RAT 7 and it's quite uncomfortable no matter how much you try to customize it!
Wow, you must have a weird deformed hand because its even comfortable and ergonomic for my monster hands.
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