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Originally Posted by Kinaesthetic View Post

I think that the new Mac Pro is quite a nifty design packing that much into such a SFF.


However...........


Am I the only one here that thought: With the Mac Pro having the capability for multiple 4K displays, we might actually get Apple to release a 4K Cinema Display to the masses to bring down the price into the realm of reason? Kinda like what ended up happening when 1440/1600p used to cost more than an arm and a leg ($1000 is somewhat manageable for the enthusiast).

If it's less than $3000, I might just pass out if it happens.drool.gif
post #152 of 426
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I wish everyone would stop bashing this thing.

When you see a PC innovate this much and get that much power into a form factor the size of a small wastepaper basket, I will buy it.

You have no reason to believe it is difficult to maintain or upgrade, or even that it is a single processor configuration. Given how much we now know they can fit into that form factor, how can you say it's not possible it's dual-proc compatible?

Haters be hatin, but seriously, I think it's ridiculous to decide that it's a horrible design based on pictures of it that look beautiful and simple to upgrade. The FirePro card looks like you can just pop it out and swap in a new one. Besides which, the computing power in that form factor is still insane considering what we're getting with things of similar sizes like mini-ITX configs which don't yet offer LGA2011 or something like the Alienware X51, also without LGA2011. The point of this is that the compute power is about all that you can cram into a form factor like that, and then you can daisy chain 36 Thunderbolt 2 devices with a theoretical data speed of 20GB/s. If you can find a device on the market today that can hit that bandwidth ceiling, I want it. Because quite frankly, if a top-of-the-line LGA2011 workstation-class processor and dual FirePros with a PCIe SSD isn't enough for you, the crazy Thunderbolt 2 expandability is meant to be enough to satisfy virtually any requirement you need.

Also, this is probably going to be lots less than people expect because it's Apple. When an employee showed the original iPhone to a then-RIM exec, he told him that you couldn't fit that power and functionality into a device of that size for less than $5000.

I love how when a computer with an entirely unique design seems to fit impossible amounts of compute power inside and didn't seem even possible to manufacture before it was revealed, the OCN community will scream "MORE MORE MORE" because it's not perfect for an enthusiast in every regard, just because it's Apple.

Have you ever heard of the Silverstone SG09? I don't think the size is much different and it can fit comparable hardware, though you'd have to go WC on the GPUs to be able to also fit a PCIe SSD and Thunderbolt adapter.
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Have you ever heard of the Silverstone SG09? I don't think the size is much different and it can fit comparable hardware, though you'd have to go WC on the GPUs to be able to also fit a PCIe SSD and Thunderbolt adapter.

First of all, there's no WC in the Mac Pro, second of all, the Aluminum is extruded and machined in the US, third of all, the SG09 is WAY bigger! It's about 2" taller than two NEW Mac Pros next to each other.
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Apologies for the double post, but dimensions of this thing need to be cleared up.

It is a cylinder 6.6" in diameter by 9.9" in height. Pretty darn small.
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First of all, there's no WC in the Mac Pro, second of all, the Aluminum is extruded and machined in the US, third of all, the SG09 is WAY bigger! It's about 2" taller than two NEW Mac Pros next to each other.

And fourth of all, it can in no way that many output connections as there is no commercially available motherboard with 6 Thunderbolt ports on it to provide the possibility of extreme daisy chaining. Oh, and fifth of all, if you even try and put two FirePro GPUs in the SG09 and air cool it, you are asking for your top card to overheat as there is literally no room to be had between the two cards.
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And fourth of all, it can in no way that many output connections as there is no commercially available motherboard with 6 Thunderbolt ports on it to provide the possibility of extreme daisy chaining. Oh, and fifth of all, if you even try and put two FirePro GPUs in the SG09 and air cool it, you are asking for your top card to overheat as there is literally no room to be had between the two cards.

THANK YOU!

+rep for being honest and reasonable.
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if forced convection fails.. there goes your PC , we're talking 300W each for the GPUs (They're Firepro W9000s which are more or less rebranded & tweaked./binned HD7970GEs because those are the only ones with 384 bit VRAM)

Yeah... I'm finding it hard to believe a heatsink with such low fin density and so small could possibly cool a Xeon and 2 of those cards. That can't be that much surface area, and even if they beef the fins up more, it would need a fan with some serious static pressure to get air through.
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Sexy machine,state of the art design,top notch hardware ,assembled in U.S,next step will be doing the internal components in the U.S with a more sophisticated quality procedure.

Made in U..S is making a slow comeback people.
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Yeah... I'm finding it hard to believe a heatsink with such low fin density and so small could possibly cool a Xeon and 2 of those cards. That can't be that much surface area, and even if they beef the fins up more, it would need a fan with some serious static pressure to get air through.

They wouldn't sell it if it didn't work, plus the fan is a 6", and the heatsink is pretty massive too.
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Originally Posted by lostmage View Post

Yeah... I'm finding it hard to believe a heatsink with such low fin density and so small could possibly cool a Xeon and 2 of those cards. That can't be that much surface area, and even if they beef the fins up more, it would need a fan with some serious static pressure to get air through.

Its not just the heat-sink itself that is going to be dissipating all of the heat. The entire construction, barring output ports, is aluminum, meaning (although it doesn't have the same thermal conductivity) the entire case will act for thermal transfer. That means not only is the heat going to be dissipated through the exhaust by the heat-sink, but ambient heat inside the case is going to transfer to the case's outer shell as well, providing another thermal buffer.
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