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I think people here, who are making statements about storage and expansion, are forgetting how much intel's thunderbolt can do. Hell, if they get licensing for it you could run external gpus supported by the manufacturer (right now egpu is unsupported).

Thunderbolt will do...
External storage (high rates)
Displays (multiples in daisy-chains)
GPUS (again unsupported as of now)
and on
and on
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Originally Posted by Gnomepatrol View Post

I think people here, who are making statements about storage and expansion, are forgetting how much intel's thunderbolt can do. Hell, if they get licensing for it you could run external gpus supported by the manufacturer (right now egpu is unsupported).

Thunderbolt will do...
External storage (high rates)
Displays (multiples in daisy-chains)
GPUS (again unsupported as of now)
and on
and on


There's two points here. First, the purpose of this system was to be small. Loads of external devices randomly piled around it are not that manageable. Second, External GPU is somewhat limited due to latency problems. To quote a guy from slashdot

 

Quote:
Back in the early 80's I got the opportunity to hear Grace Hopper speak. One of the stories she used to like to tell at her talks was about the time that she was having trouble visualizing a nanosecond. Eventually she sent a memo to her engineers which said, "Please send up one nanosecond." She waited, curious as to how they would respond. After a couple of days a response came back in the form of a metal rod 11-3/4 inches in length with the note attached, "One Nanosecond", and no other explanation. After puzzling over the metal rod she called down to the engineering department and asked, "I give up, what is it"? "That's the distance light travels in a nanosecond", was the response. Later, she sent another memo to the engineers with the request, "Please send up one picosecond." The engineers immediately responded with a memo instructing her to, "put the nanosecond in a pepper grinder and you can make picoseconds all over your desk."

The point is that as computing devices speed up, latencies become an issue. The length of cables has huge effects on this and cause interaction problems between the CPU and GPU.


Edited by hajile - 6/11/13 at 6:06am
post #223 of 426
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Originally Posted by Gnomepatrol View Post

I think people here, who are making statements about storage and expansion, are forgetting how much intel's thunderbolt can do. Hell, if they get licensing for it you could run external gpus supported by the manufacturer (right now egpu is unsupported).

Thunderbolt will do...
External storage (high rates)
Displays (multiples in daisy-chains)
GPUS (again unsupported as of now)
and on
and on

These things belong in the box, that's sort of the point of the box. TB on portables is great on desktops no so much. I have a significant amount of storage in my MP I also have a significant amount of external storage the back up the internal, plus some archive drives. Now all those drives that are inside need to go outside, along with the outside backup, along with the archive. If I still want to use my Matrox card it'll need to go in an expansion chassis outside the box, there is yet another box on my desk. I could get behind it if there was a valid reason behind it, or a general outcry for it but the only reason is for design and smallness. The MP as it stands right now is dead, this is the xMac people have wanted for a LONG time, priced along the same spectrum as the old MP which is what they didn't want.
Edited by GermanyChris - 6/11/13 at 6:39am
 
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The thing is that this thing is only better than a normal workstation in the size department.... Otherwise a proper 2p workstation with a bunch of expansion slots is clearly superior.

As I said previously, I hope this is just one model to steal the press and hype thunder and that they'll introduce a normal tower as well. One that's actually properly expandable and can be crammed with more CPU power. Because lets face it, looks are the last thing a proper professional cares about in a workstation if he really actually uses it to its fullest.

I'd 100% for this design if it was just for a random more powerful apple desktop but for a workstation lineup? No....

^This. While the cylinder design with the large central heat sink is an interesting idea I don't think the pro workstation is the right place to emphasize small size and "cool" looks (I would not call it innovative until its proven to work better the the traditional designs).

I can't imagine that people that actually need workstations find this very desirable when compared to a "proper" workstation with the latest CPU's in an expandable dual socket mobo.
    
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Seriously, let's keep this thread relevant to OCN. Can you overclock this thing?? biggrin.gif
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im in envy, so much hardware in such little cool space.. when will pc manufactuers release anything like this???

when need Corsair/Silverstone to release cases with gpu adapters that you can put in any direction and psu that is design for small spaces. We need PC motherboard manufacturers to make bendable motherboards, should be possible yes? Every connection inside the PCB should be able to work inside a bendable material yes? OR motherboards that can expand after your needs. Like make a CPU pcb board that you can add memory board to and pci-express board to. Dont know if thats possible, but current design is boooooooring.
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Sony went with a Rhombus, Apple went with the Cylinder, only wondering who's going to go with the Trapezoid?

Ti's the season of primitive shapes gentlemen!
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Sony went with a Rhombus, Apple went with the Cylinder, only wondering who's going to go with the Trapezoid?

Ti's the season of primitive shapes gentlemen!

they should be going for dodecahedron cases. and make all the points on the case super sharp, so people know not to touch it
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Seriously, let's keep this thread relevant to OCN. Can you overclock this thing?? biggrin.gif

of course not. The only thing you may be able to OC would be the FirePro graphics, but only if MSI afterburner / AMD Overdrive allows it.
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"Made in USA"... So is my computer. And pretty much everyone's on this forum that lives in the country. I assembled them china parts right here in America.

Your HAF 922 surely wasnt machined in the US. The Mac Pro's case is. I think that's more appropriate than any other manufacturer and most people here running cases from Corsair, Lian Li, Cooler Master, etc.
 
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