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not to mention prebuilts and custom built by the average joe is not a fair comparison. A equivalent custom built machine with off the shelf parts will always be cheaper.
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Eh... The lie spreading comes from your misunderstanding of the laws and their purpose. Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should, especially when the laws were written for a time when holding overseas accounts from money made off of digital goods didn't exist. The fact of the matter is that what Apple is doing screws over the companies that cannot do that, including the little guy. There are always repercussions to skirting the spirit of something like this, and just because you choose to overlook them doesn't mean they don't exist. There is still plenty of hand waving to distract from the reality of what Apple is doing and has done. I said nothing that was untrue, and even said the products were good (though you conveniently overlooked that)*. Simply pointing out reality isn't blind hate. Your blind love makes it look that way.

Nobody is screwing over businesses who are trying to operate in the US, and most especially the little guy, more than the US government. Everything from the continually increasing tax rates to try and support their trillions in overblown deficit to the soon coming marketplace fairness act which the Democrats all overwhelmingly blew through the Senate which is going to force small businesses, including individuals on eBay/Amazon, who have over 1 Million a year in net sales to be responsible for collecting local and state taxes for online sales in every state in the US regardless if they only have a physical presence in one. Most small businesses have enough trouble dealing with handling the local and state tax for the state they reside in let alone having the burden of over 9000 additional tax jurisdictions.

And the retail giants Amazon and Walmart are 100% behind it because they're already having to collect sales tax in a majority of states and have whole departments dedicated just to handling the different tax codes and collecting the proper taxes and so the only ones it's going to hurt is the small businesses who much of the time their only way of competing with retail monopolies like Amazon in pricing is not charging the customer tax in the states they don't have a physical presence in. It also opens up those small businesses to not only be audited by the state they reside in but by every state in the US that thinks they failed to collect the proper taxes for orders that shipped to their state.

So if you want to point the blame at why more and more companies are moving their headquarters and operations overseas where there's far less restrictions and taxation in order to maintain their profit margins you don't need to look any further than the ones running our government in Washington.
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Eh... The lie spreading comes from your misunderstanding of the laws and their purpose. Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should, especially when the laws were written for a time when holding overseas accounts from money made off of digital goods didn't exist. The fact of the matter is that what Apple is doing screws over the companies that cannot do that, including the little guy. There are always repercussions to skirting the spirit of something like this, and just because you choose to overlook them doesn't mean they don't exist. There is still plenty of hand waving to distract from the reality of what Apple is doing and has done. I said nothing that was untrue, and even said the products were good (though you conveniently overlooked that)*. Simply pointing out reality isn't blind hate. Your blind love makes it look that way.

*Edit: In fact, with Boot Camp this would be one mean gaming machine by the looks of it. Best of both worlds for Mac lovers when you use Boot Camp. I just feel like this is a slap in the face to market it the way they are given what is actually going on behind the scenes. This is just one step above Wal-Mart's fake Made in the USA tags from years back.

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"Even though Apple is following the laws, and doing nothing illegal, they should still pay more (ignoring they pay the most taxes of any US business), because I said so and have a sense of self entitlement".

That pretty much sums up everything you have just said.

Apple, nor any other business, isn't going to pay EXTRA just BECAUSE someone says they should! They are going to follow the laws CREATED and PASSED by the GOVERNMENT(s) for which they answer to!

Bonus Fact: Even if Apple wanted to just pay extra for the sake of doing it, that would be illegal under Corporate Law! Apple, as a Legal Person, is mandated to do everything in its power to protect the investments of the investors. Just willy nilly slinging out extra in Taxes, which bites into their net profits, would be in the detriment to the investors. Thus being ILLEGAL under the LAWS!

You don't like the system, and feel "cheated" or that the "spirit" of the law isn't being followed? Go cry to the people that passed the laws in the first place. The only reason Congress went after Apple is because they were beat at their own damn game! They passed laws to favor themselves and those closest to them, either business or family, and now someone is using those laws to their advantage. Thieves don't like competition, that is the only reason our Government is pissed at Apple. They were beat in their own game!

Apple is following the laws by which they are governed and have not strayed from that. Don't like it? Tough! Write your Congressman and have them change the LAWS themselves.
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You know that heat rises, right?

The airflow generated by hot air rising through convection is completely trivial relative to the cooling needs of this product (and most PCs in general).
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Given that Apple shelters their money overseas and evades taxes like it's going out of style, this whole made in the USA thing is a sham. Good products, piss poor company.

Any business or individual with any sense does whatever they can to pay as little in taxes as possible; it's just good business.
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Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should

When it comes to avoiding taxes and other unnecessary expenses, I completely disagree.
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I know some people will be upset with the limited expandability of the new Mac Pro, but the engineering that went into it is sure impressive. And 1 GB/s flash memory? That's hot. Wondering how much it's going to cost, now. $3000?
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I know some people will be upset with the limited expandability of the new Mac Pro, but the engineering that went into it is sure impressive. And 1 GB/s flash memory? That's hot. Wondering how much it's going to cost, now. $3000?

I couldn't (legally) build a PC with the same specs as the model shown without forking over 6000 dollars, and that's obviously without the Apple tax.

So, I'm going to guess at least $3999 for the most stripped down model, $9999 fully loaded.
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i'm guessing $2.8k for the base.
 
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Ouh matte would be awesome. Or just pop the sides off, the black PCB with the chips looks awesome.


Right now I would love to see some engineering drawings for the outer shell, because I know there is money to be made running up some clear cases to show off the interior for a small segment of the market that will buy into the DarthPro.
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I couldn't (legally) build a PC with the same specs as the model shown without forking over 6000 dollars, and that's obviously without the Apple tax.

So, I'm going to guess at least $3999 for the most stripped down model, $9999 fully loaded.

Pricing is extremely likely to be in the general range of the current Mac Pro's price in regards to the the cheapest base config, maybe an extra $200-$300 more. The Mac Pro's current pricing is something that has remained constant over the years even back to when the first Mac Pro was released and Apple is looking to expand their Mac Pro market to draw in a larger crowd of end users and they can't do that with a severely overpriced product regardless of how sexy it looks.

Personally if I can get a fairly loaded config with at least a 8 core Xeon and dual FirePro W9000 or equal desktop part graphics for south of $5k then I'll probably have to pull the trigger. I'm betting Apple is planning to release a new high-res 4K thunderbolt display for it as well.
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That is such a beautiful trash can. smile.gif
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