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Originally Posted by TheBlindDeafMute View Post

Supports up to 3 4k displays. Think of this. Eyefinity or surround on crack. Omg. Just need that crisis 3 mod for whatever that resolution would be.

Sorry...you realize that the original W9000 card already has 6x mini DP 1.2 ports that support up to 6x 1600p monitors at once...or around 25MP total resolution...which is the 3x 4K you mention...
i.e. you just got impressed by something available to PC workstations since Aug 2012*...if anything you should feel cheated that to get anything more than HD you have to have a thunderbolt to w/e converter, or a thunderbolt monitor - currently only offered by Apple.

Apple is a great company, with the unique ability to convince that its failures never happened (or were...intentional) and that they are on the pinnacle of innovation for every single thing they do.
True for some of the things they do manufacture - i.e. the Mac Pro enclosure, not so true for w/e they source by others.

edit: on other threads they already discuss the availability of 4K panels @ $450 or so in China. In before ppl start saying that we will get affordable 4K to the masses thanks to Apple supporting it...

* actually many consumer cards, much cheaper than the W9000 are 4K capable. With a couple (or more) of those you could have surround 4K gaming better and cheaper than the averagly clocked 12C and 2x W9000 can ever give you.
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Maybe Apple is fully intent on offering an upgrade path, but wants to sell all such components themselves, and thus reap a larger portion of profits?

Right now, Apple gets nothing, except perhaps a modest licensing fee, when someone goes out and buys a Mac version of a FirePro (or whatever) and sticks it in their system themselves. If you have to send your MacPro in so Apple can swap one of the Apple assembled GPU PCBs for a new model, Apple gets a much larger chunk of the pie, even if total upgrade cost doesn't increase much.

Hmm... Upgrades on this machine would be interesting due to the unified heatsink in the center, but I suppose that's not totally out of the realm of possibility.
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i agree that the impossibility of replacements is really dumb. but it kind of fits apples model. reselling an apple device is cheaper a lot of the time, even on machines with upgradeable parts
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Originally Posted by GermanyChris View Post

That is exactly what this design is doing.
And would you care to elaborate on how it's cutting off Apple's existing customers? It's far more powerful than the previous model. Albeit you would have to shift your internal media over to external media, but that seems like a small issue.
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Direct quote for apple's web page below.
"There’s flash storage, and then there’s next-generation PCI Express flash storage. We’re talking storage that’s up to 2.5 times faster than the fastest SATA-based solid-state drive and up to 10 times faster than a 7200-rpm SATA hard drive. Most flash storage systems connect via SATA buses designed for slower spinning hard drives. But we designed the new Mac Pro around new PCI Express-based flash controller technology to deliver the fastest solid-state drives available standard in a desktop computer. So booting up, launching apps, even opening massive files happens in, well, a flash."

They are comparing it to sata based HD's
Isn't what they're saying true then? SATA 3 caps out at 750MB/s right? Real world use is probably lower so "up to 2.5x" sounds accurate to me.
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This is not a very optimal machine for video or audio production. As an audio work station the firepro and ECC ram is all but useless adding a huge amount of cost (and thus making it an extremely un-cost effective choice).
It would be insane for Apple to only offer two high end workstation GPUs with the Mac Pro and nothing else. There will be configuration options.

Also I would imagine ECC RAM is useful as you still wouldn't want the possibility of crashes while you're recording. (Particularly in high end studios.) And being able to run three 4k displays or maybe six or more 1440p displays (if that would work) with your audio production software would be very useful. The PCI-e SSD is also a huge boon as it gets rid of most of the latency.
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On the other hand as an video workstation the single CPU design really hurts the performance and the limited ram and storage can be a very significant problem as video software (after effects, Final Cut Pro, premiere pro ect.) gobble up ram like there is no tomorrow and you need large size storage as raw video can take 10s or even 100s of gigs (a nas drive is not going to be fast enough).

No in actuality the specs of this mac pro read more like a mid range CAD/3D animation workstation (assuming it's used together with an separate render farm) and the dual GPU's do give a nice boost in this regard.
I can see that. But the storage shouldn't be an issue at all considering the external expansion possibilities. But remember it's no worse off than the previous model.
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Sorry, not entirely clear, the point I was referencing was that it wasn't cutting of existing customers. It sounds like there are more than a few disgruntled current Mac Pro users out there.

Sure, the cards might not be top-of-the-line, but the ability to move to the latest of that year is still a big step upwards for many. Often times, the year-over-year performance gains of the the same or similar graphics cards are pretty significant.

I agree that it is a better product in terms of parts, but I don't know that it will sell better. It just seems like it's placed in such a weird position in the market...
There may be some disgruntled users but personally I can't see why. Everything you could have with the previous model, you can have with the new one and more. Better expansion. Better GPUs. Similar CPU. Same RAM (I presume.)

With the previous model you could only have one medium end workstation GPU from a third party. Now you can have two in a BTO system. The old Mac Pro was dying, this may revitalize it. Give it a new angle. There must be some appeal for a powerful but tiny workstation. It's practically portable.
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Supports up to 3 4k displays. Think of this. Eyefinity or surround on crack. Omg. Just need that crisis 3 mod for whatever that resolution would be.

Do you realize how difficult it is to run that sort of resolution, even at only 7680x1440 or 8000x1440 bezel corrected there are some games I can only play on low. I realize I may not have the best computer, but it's still better than the majority of pcs.

3x4k would have 2.25x the resolution I have.
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Do you realize how difficult it is to run that sort of resolution, even at only 7680x1440 or 8000x1440 bezel corrected there are some games I can only play on low. I realize I may not have the best computer, but it's still better than the majority of pcs.

3x4k would have 2.25x the resolution I have.

yeah even with two 7970 equivalents gaming seems a steep demand. but most likely capable of doing other stuff at that resolution.
Edited by perfectblade - 6/15/13 at 4:53pm
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