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Now that I've built myself an encoding/gaming PC and a NAS/Multipurpose server, the time has come to also build an HTPC.

I'm already using my gaming pc as an HTPC, but after a surge from a thunderstorm killed its PSU, I decided I should also have a backup so I can keep watching videos if that ever happen again.

I'm trying to not go too overkill like I usually do since I want to keep the cost low if possible, but money isn't really a problem so if it's worth it, I'll spend it. Also, power usage isn't much of a concern, electricity is pretty cheap around here.

I spent a few days searching for a small case I liked since that's what's going to decide the size of most of the other parts and the result was the Silverstone ML03B which I quite like even though it doesn't seem to be of very high quality.

My plan is to not use a dedicated GPU, but only the integrated graphics from the CPU so I was wondering which was the best since I never actually used any(I purposely chose a MB that couldn't use my 2600k integrated graphics since I thought it was useless). I also have very limited knowledge of the current AMD products since all my recent builds focused on processing power and the intel processors are much better at that.

I did a little research and the A10 5800K seems like the best choice, but I'd very much like to have the opinion of more experienced people to choose the CPU/MB/RAM combo that would work best for an HTPC to get the best possible performance from the integrated graphics.

My goal is to most likely use XBMC which will launch MPCHC(with reclock only for wasapi audio) or MPCBE(if I find that the internal wasapi audio renderer is stable enough in the last version) as an external player with LAVfilters/madvr(with the best possible scaling supported by my final build).
Edited by SamKook - 6/10/13 at 4:42pm
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One of the new Intel Haswell processors with the HD Pro 4600 iGPU. An i5 4670 would probably be a good choice.
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One of the new Intel Haswell processors with the HD Pro 4600 iGPU. An i5 4670 would probably be a good choice.

Youre recommending a processor thats almost twice as much and will see almost no benefit as a HTPC. The biggest plus is the <20% lower power consumption, but OP said he gets power dirt cheap.

As for OP's questions, I dont really know a good combo, I honestly dont think it really matters because you wont need to overclock the CPU, the A10-5800k is more then enough, and the biggest issue with HTPCs is really fan noise.
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One of the new Intel Haswell processors with the HD Pro 4600 iGPU. An i5 4670 would probably be a good choice.

But is the integrated GPU better than the A10 5800K? From the few reviews I've seen, the A10 5800K beat the ivy bridge GPU(the HD2500 at least) by close to 3x and I read that the difference between ivy and haswell isn't that much (around 10%, but that might be CPU power and not GPU).

Madvr is very demanding on the GPU which is why I'm making it a priority to have the best(integrated) one possible.
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Overall CPU performance is not a big leap from IB to Haswell, but the HD 4600 iGPU is far superior to the HD 2500
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Overall CPU performance is not a big leap from IB to Haswell, but the HD 4600 iGPU is far superior to the HD 2500

But the question is, is it superior enough to beat AMD.
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post #7 of 21
Go with the 6800k or 5800k

I love the 5600k and does the job very well
 
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IF you want the best desktop graphics go AMD a10-5800 or the new richland A10-6800 for about 20 more bucks. Only the BGA i7 mobile chip with the HD5200 can beat the AMD at graphics and its like 650 bucks. If you can wait until Q4 Kaveri should be out with GCN graphics and really be something you can game on. As it is, you can easily get playable 30fps min on most games at 720p and it tears through video streaming, heck my llanos stream HD video perfectly (though I'm sure the HD4600 will as well.
Heres just one of a million reviews comparing them http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-A106800K-and-A106700-Richland-APUs-Tested/?page=9

I'd go with the less expensive AMD in this case just because its a HTPC, haswell or ivy is just overkill. Also the AMD quad cores will run just fine as backup to a better GPU if you decide to go discrete care at some point
 
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post #9 of 21
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I completely missed the 6800k that just came out which seem like the one to pick(also finally found a decent review myself too) if I can't wait till the end of the year.
That with around 8GB of DDR3-2133 and some MB.
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post #10 of 21
I have a 5800k, and overall I really like it for some light gaming and htpc use. After checking into the specs for the 6800k, it seems like it is just a mildy overclocked 5800k. I know technically there are some subtle differences, but overall Im not sure if the performance increase justifies the increase in cost. Most FM2 mobo manufacturers are supporting 2400 speed ram these days, so consider that when pricing ram modules. Even 1866 speed ram is sufficient for most tasks, but if you will be gaming, even a 10% increase in frame rate is worth the few dollars more for something better.

Another thing I would like to mention that is often overlooked in discussions about these chips is the heat. My 5800k runs hot in my tiny htpc case. Even though the chips have a 100w tdp, when that GPU kicks in they run considerably hotter than a 125w AM3+ CPU. I did some tests using the same stock fan on my 8350 and my 5800k, and the 5800k is hotter every time. A lot of people complained, rightfully so, about the fan noise on the stock 5800k fan, and even though I upgraded mine to something quieter, it really was more of a reflection of how hard that fan was working. Knowing what I do now, with a small case like I have, and like the case you are looking at, I would strongly recommend going with one of the 65w APU's. The loss of performace is minimal compared to the energy, noise, and heat you will save with a 5700 or 6700 chip.
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