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Hmm, yes, that might be problematic. I didn't think it would get overly hot with no overclock, but I guess that's always the price for performance. Do you have any actual temperature readings you could share to give me an idea about how hot yours get?

Worst case I can always watercool it. There's space for 4 80mm fans on one side so I can always mount a radiator or 2 on the exterior side(since I doubt it would fit inside, but I might get lucky), make a hole for the tubing and the rest should fit fine inside. Or try to see if I can fit a dual 120mm rad on top of the case which would be ideal since 80mm ones are rare and not that efficient. And if I go that way, I can probably even overclock it without problems.

Since I've read that the iGPU use the RAM from the MB, I want to get the fastest one possible to get the best performance and they're not that much pricier anyway.

The cheapest I can get the 6800k is 150$ and the 5700 is 129$(the 6700 is 154$ so not worth it if I buy in the next 2 days) so for only 21$, the increased performance is probably worth it in my opinion, even if dealing with the heat will bring even more cost(but also silence if watercooled).

Edit: So far it's looking like this if I go ahead with the 6800k without worrying about the heat for now: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/SamKook/saved/1Kik
Edited by SamKook - 6/11/13 at 7:15am
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If heat is an issue, instead of using the stock HSF, pick up a low profile HSF from another trusted company such as: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106152

Of course, check the height of your case v.s. height of standoffs + mobo height + CPU socket height + HSF height before purchasing.
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I haven't found a slim CPU cooler that claim to perform well for a 100W TDP CPU so it doesn't look well for that solution.
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Well compared to the AMD stock Heatsink any of the 70-75TDP low profile coolers with heat pipes will do better and make less noise. I have a hyper101 with 2 fans on my a6-3670k OC to 3.3 from 2.7 and it hasn't been a problem and thats a 70tDP cooler (though not low profile).

AMD doesn't give exact TDP figures and just rounds up to their next highest number, so the TDP for a A10-5800k is probably not right at 100W TDP when at stock. To give you an idea of how little the TDP difference matters between the 65W CPUs and the 100W CPUS at stock settings, AMD ships the SAME stock heatsink with both. I'd just look at the feedback on the low profile heatsinks on whichever etailer you prefer to get an idea of what other A10 users have experienced. Honestly though almost ANYTHING is better than the stock AMD cooler.
This one should work fine as it even says FM2 support, though check your measurements please smile.gif http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103177
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Hmm, yes, that might be problematic. I didn't think it would get overly hot with no overclock, but I guess that's always the price for performance. Do you have any actual temperature readings you could share to give me an idea about how hot yours get?]


I use CoreTemp to monitor my heat. I also have a very tight case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112359) Coolers I have used with the CPU include the Vortex (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103084), the Noctua low profile (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608030) and the stock fan.

So for the 5800k, CoreTemp shows a TJMax of 70. It roughly correlates to Celsius degrees at the higher end, but is not really accurate at the lower end of the range. These APU's have wonky temperature readings. If you are not familiar with CoreTemp, then just think of the TJMax as the highest 'safe' reading for the chip and really the temperature as shown by CoreTemp is just a fractional display. So a coretemp reading of 35 isnt necessarily 35 degrees celsius, but it is 35/70 of the TJMax.

For idle/web browsing/netflix with my current ambient room temp about 23C, core temp shows a max temp reading of 27 since my pc was turned on a few hours ago, and currently shows a temp of 2. Fans all run quiet and everything is good. All 3 coolers work about the same at this level of use.

For my 5800k, Skyrim is the high temp program. Right now is summer for me, and I did most of my temperature testing in winter with an ambient room temp of about 19C. That means my temps to retest today would likely be higher, even more so when its really hot. My computer room is like an oven, its not ideal, but its what I have.

I can heat up my APU for testing with litecoin or prime95, but 1 hour of Skyrim at high graphics is what I base my temp readings at, since that was my real world use scenario. So here is the breakdown

Stock- light use, high temp reading was 35. Skyrim max reading was 69. Thats when I decided to get a new cooler, and only used this for a couple of days.

Noctua Low profile- light use high temp reading was 33 average reading 27, Max reading was 66, average max reading was 57ish. Overall for a Cooler only rated for a max 65w chip, I was impressed, but with summer heat looming in I needed something else. Hitting 66 while sitting in a chilly room didnt bode well for when those 32C+ days come.

Vortex- light use was 25 max, and high temp max was 63. Average high temp is 53-55. Of course those were winter readings. I had a heat wave last week and I noticed my light use spiked to near 45. I must have done something non-gaming related to do that, but no clue what it was. I hit 60C doing some light gaming but it probably would have gone higher if I had put more time into it.

I guess I should note all coolers were within the 'safe' range, I just wanted them to be even safer. I want this box to last a long time and I dont want to wear it out unnecessarily due to crappy heat management. Of course I could put it in a bigger case, but the portable aspect was important to me too.
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Youre recommending a processor thats almost twice as much and will see almost no benefit as a HTPC. The biggest plus is the <20% lower power consumption, but OP said he gets power dirt cheap.

As for OP's questions, I dont really know a good combo, I honestly don't think it really matters because you wont need to overclock the CPU, the A10-5800k is more then enough, and the biggest issue with HTPCs is really fan noise.

Personally, I don't see why you would want a 100 Watt TDP APU in a HTPC. Yeah, the power might be cheap, but as others have stated, cooling in a small case can be an issue. Is anyone really making the argument that HD 4600 gfx wouldn't be sufficient for a HTPC? A i5-4670T has a TDP of only 35 Watts. I would take that over a 100 Watt chip in a dedicated HTPC any day even if I was getting electricity for free.
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Personally, I don't see why you would want a 100 Watt TDP APU in a HTPC. Yeah, the power might be cheap, but as others have stated, cooling in a small case can be an issue. Is anyone really making the argument that HD 4600 gfx wouldn't be sufficient for a HTPC? A i5-4670T has a TDP of only 35 Watts. I would take that over a 100 Watt chip in a dedicated HTPC any day even if I was getting electricity for free.

Nope we know it will run HD fine smile.gif its just more money and the OP stated he wanted the best on die graphics for gaming as well. Though at this point he might be better off with the a10-5700 since its lower TDP of 65W will make it easier to cool in a small case and have almost the same performance as the a10 5800 for games ect.
 
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I don't think I've mentioned I planned to do gaming on it, the goal is to be able to use higher quality scaling algorithms for videos with madvr which is all done by the GPU, but the end result will be similar to gaming with probably lesser CPU usage(unless 1080p is more demanding than I think it is).

Getting an a10-5700 or a10-6700 might be a good idea to save some heat, I'll have to do some more research for the cooling. I ordered the case so I'll get a better idea of what's possible in a few days.
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I don't think I've mentioned I planned to do gaming on it, the goal is to be able to use higher quality scaling algorithms for videos with madvr which is all done by the GPU, but the end result will be similar to gaming with probably lesser CPU usage(unless 1080p is more demanding than I think it is).

Getting an a10-5700 or a10-6700 might be a good idea to save some heat, I'll have to do some more research for the cooling. I ordered the case so I'll get a better idea of what's possible in a few days.

Oops you are correct, you didn't mention gaming, but did say you wanted the most powerful graphics, which the A10s will have. Also if you get one now the cpu should drop right in the FM2+ boards coming out this fall/winter for the kaveri lineup if you decide to upgrade in the future you can do it part by part instead of all at once. Though for your uses I would imagine that you probably wouldn't need to upgrade it for a while.
At any rate, have fun with the new case! I'm still running a normal midtower for my HTPC and its UGLY...
 
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I finally received all the parts and finished building it last night(barely had time to power it up so I could test it) and I'm quite happy with how well it went. I only had to very slightly mod the plastic ssd holder to route the MB power cable the way I wanted.

I updated the part list I mentionned before with all the parts I used. The only different is the wireless adaptor that I already had doesn't exist anymore so I picked his better performing clone(I have the RNX-N180PCe) and I also already had the BD drive.
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/SamKook/saved/1Kik

I took a lot of pictures after the PSU, MB, CPU and cooler(without the fan) were in place(didn't think of it before then) so I'll be making a build log soon to show how it all went and how it all fit together.
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