Originally Posted by AlphaC
Direct link for the lazy: http://sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.png
nice work, Sin!
May I suggest something I noticed? Maybe move Z77X-UD4H before Z77X-UD5H
I'm pleasantly surprised in the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming, although Gigabyte upped the bar again...
Seems ASUS took heed to your chart calling their Z77 Sabertooth overrated.
Also pleasantly surprised in Z87M OC Formula. At the price there's no incentive to buy it over the Gigabyte Z87 G1 sniper M5 or ASUS Z87 ROG Maximus Vi Gene though.EDIT:Bang for buck seems to be:
$130-140ish Gigabyte Z87X-D3H (or Gigabyte Z87X-UD5H ~$210 for added fan headers)
$200 ASUS Maximus VI Gene for MicroATXOther insights from your chart:
ASUS Z87 Gryphon is overrated when Z87 Gene is about $25 more.
ASUS Z87 MAXIMUS VI Extreme this time around is not worth added cost because in terms of power delivery it's the same as the Hero.
ASUS ROG boards are cheaper than Z87 Expert but have better VRM...
MSI Z87 gd65 Gaming is overpriced at $180ish
Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H is overpriced this time around for just the added voltage measurement / clear CMOS buttons +ALC898 +2 SATA3 + displayport output
, $180 is not reasonable for what you get over the Z87X-D3H and it looks like the D3H has better capacitance
Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H might as well been both the UD3H and UD4H since there's a $10 price difference and no discernible difference other than the 8 extra doubled phases.
Gigabyte's Z87X-D3HP may be Ultra Durable 5 Plus with IR3553 but it's only 4 phase.
Gigabyte Z87MX-D3H doesn't deserve an X , just like the Z77MX-D3H
AsRock won't give up DPAK MOSFETs even when it's 2013
There is a some misconception about the ALC1150, it actually is cheaper than the ALC898 for the motherboard makers to use for one reason that is not easy to see, it also isn't some brand new technology, it is just a build up of the ALC898, same feature set, and it was going to be called the ALC900 but for marketing purposes they used its SNR in the name. It s a good codec but not something that can compete against discrete cards, unless of course motherboard audio codec have become so much better in the last few years that they can. which isn't false.
ALC1150 SNR ratings:
Back Headphone: 115dB(which must use a differential)
Front headphone: 110dB
All the other channels(like for surround): 98dB
All outputs are 110dB, thus only in the back headphone jack is the ALC1150 any better.
Both have the same features as well, the ALC1150 just sounds like a higher model, but it is like the ALC889 and the ALC892, the ALC889 is a better audio codec than the ALC892 and costs more, here they are are bit more equal so it is almost an unfair analogy, if you use any surround sound or anything other than a single jack in your motherboard backpanel then the ALC898 is better. If you only use a backpanel headphone out then the ALC1150 is a bit better. That doesn't mean GBT wont switch to ALC1150, all this marketing everyone is doing with it is making them look bad for not using it, I even overheard asrock dude at computex saying that ALC1150 was better than Core3Di, the media he was talking too almost laughed in his face haha because Core3Di is an actual audio processor while any Realtek codec is just a codec that works with Intel's HD audio which is built into the PCH, also the implementation of the hardware is much more important than the codec or processor used. ASRock's AMPs cost half of what a DRV632 costs(the amp on the UD3H and UD4H and i think UD5H), and a third of what MSI's new AMP costs. lol In the mid-rang boards like the GD65 versus the asrock and UD3H and UD4H the GD65 has better AMP and overall implementation(better PCB than asrock and generally better codec than GBT) I would think.
So the ALC1150 is a better codec, but not by a long shot, in many ways it isn't as good as the ALC898.
The reason the UD3H and the UD4H are priced that way is because GBT can sell them that way, the powerstages are pretty expensive to use and it boosts the cost of the board and the custom capacitors are also pretty damn expensive(usually output caps are the most expensive part of the VRM, here they tie with the IR powerstages). The UD4H has 16 phases and is red, so if you want it GBT chanrges you 20 extra for it hahaha. And the D3H has one ounce copper in the PCB compared to the UD3H, UD3H should be better for thermals and overclocking.
My firend has a FLIR camera, and take a look a the first 4 images on this picture:
The Z87X-D3H, versus the Z87-A, the Z87-GD45 Gaming, and the Z87 Extreme3
Notice how much cooler the D3H is than the rest, that is the IR power stages and the PCB, even tho the D3H is only one ounce I think, but it might be 2 this time if its utlra durable 5 plus.
I know I am going to get bashed for that post, I just had to get it off my chest about the ALC1150. It is a very good codec, especially if you just use two speakers or a pair of headphones through the backpanel, then it beats the ALC898, otherwise they are mainly tied except in surround sound(which no one really uses i know, but some do), in which the ALC898 would win. However if people really like the ALC1150 over the ALC898 then it will become more standardized and GBT will use it. I asked them about why they didn't, and they stated that they didn't know people really cared about the SNR as they had taken polls and most people said they don't care. I guess those Facebook polls are kind of just for users who Facebook and friend motherboard companies hahaha. I would think that the whole audio race was sparked by the Sniper series, but IMo its a good thing to have competition and improve products. It is also good to have the facts.
Originally Posted by ericlaw02
Thank you for making the new VRM list with Z87 motherboards, Sin!
I'm wondering if you could take your time to look at some of the Z87 ITX boards when you have some more time, say, the Asrock Z87E-ITX and the Gigabyte GA-Z87N-WIFI.
To start with, this site shows some pictures and some info for the Asrock Z87 ITX board: http://www.hkgolden.com/articles/article.aspx?id=12276
sure i will put those in there and you are welcome. If anyone wants me to add boards then please list the images here.Edited by Sin0822 - 6/28/13 at 8:22am