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The estimated power of those computing resources in Utah is so massive it requires use of a little-known unit of storage space: the zettabyte.

http://www.npr.org/2013/06/10/190160772/amid-data-controversy-nsa-builds-its-biggest-data-farm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zettabyte

What did they smoke? Do they really want to analyze everything? Control everything?
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The USA is now officially a police state. There is no other way to put it. If someone says something that sends red flags to whatever measures they are using to screen this information, then they would be able to dig up a mountain of evidence on you almost immediately. If Nazi Germany had modern day tech, they would do this too, and that is what scares me.

It might be possible for someone to say something in jest, or sarcasm that might get the attention of big brother. Then they dig up something on you completely unrelated and get themselves in a position where they have to justify their time tracking you by charging you with some form of criminal offense. From a law enforcement perspective they would think they would just be doing their job. But in my view its epic level tyranny.

Also the Utah datacenter isn't just for storage of information, they got the computing power there to brute force hack all but the most advanced encryption in a matter of minutes. If I had to guess, they're probably just playing catch up with China.
Edited by chaosblade02 - 6/10/13 at 11:45pm
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So, if/when medical DNA profiling really gets into gear, and everyone gets their genome analysed, and sent around the intertubes, will the gov have a nice copy of everyone's DNA stored away ?
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I have a nagging suspicion most if not a good percentage of the data they have are porn searches on google.
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I have a nagging suspicion most if not a good percentage of the data they have are porn searches on google.

Well, talk about dumping DNA data ......
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Their claims of needing this just to bust some would-be terrorist is one of the biggest lies I've ever heard from government. 5 Zetabytes? Really? That is way overkill for any practical purposes unless they intend to be able to spy on EVERYBODY well into the future.

Don't say anything to alert the internet gestapo, and you shouldn't have any problems rolleyes.gif
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The USA is now officially a police state. There is no other way to put it. If someone says something that sends red flags to whatever measures they are using to screen this information, then they would be able to dig up a mountain of evidence on you almost immediately. If Nazi Germany had modern day tech, they would do this too, and that is what scares me.

It might be possible for someone to say something in jest, or sarcasm that might get the attention of big brother. Then they dig up something on you completely unrelated and get themselves in a position where they have to justify their time tracking you by charging you with some form of criminal offense. From a law enforcement perspective they would think they would just be doing their job. But in my view its epic level tyranny.

Also the Utah datacenter isn't just for storage of information, they got the computing power there to brute force hack all but the most advanced encryption in a matter of minutes. If I had to guess, they're probably just playing catch up with China.

The only problem with your assumption is that none of the information collected would pass 4th Amendment muster, and thus it would be inadmissible as evidence against you at trial. Without independent evidence that was gathered without running afoul of the 4th Amendment, the government would have no case at trial. Because of that, no district attorney would prosecute the case.

Spectrum isn't being used to build cases against United States citizens for domestic crimes. It's being used to gather intelligence and act on legitimate threats to national security outside of the traditional jurisdictional reach of the United States courts.

As long as the Supreme Court doesn't turn 200 years of settled law on its head by explicitly carving out an exception to the 4th Amendment for allowing this type of evidence to be used at trial, then Spectrum gives no more power to affirmatively police domestic crime than existed before.
Edited by littledonny - 6/11/13 at 12:31am
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The only problem with your assumption is that none of the information collected would pass 4th Amendment muster, and thus it would be inadmissible as evidence against you at trial. Without independent evidence that was gathered without running afoul of the 4th Amendment, the government would have no case at trial. Because of that, no district attorney would prosecute the case.

Spectrum isn't being used to build cases against United States citizens for domestic crimes. It's being used to gather intelligence and act on legitimate threats to national security outside of the traditional jurisdictional reach of the United States courts.

As long as the Supreme Court doesn't turn 200 years of settled law on its head by explicitly carving out an exception to the 4th Amendment for allowing this type of evidence to be used at trial, then Spectrum gives no more power to affirmatively police domestic crime than existed before.

I'm sorry but if you have not noticed that this government has no respect for the constitution than your are lost. redface.gif
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The USA is now officially a police state. There is no other way to put it. If someone says something that sends red flags to whatever measures they are using to screen this information, then they would be able to dig up a mountain of evidence on you almost immediately. If Nazi Germany had modern day tech, they would do this too, and that is what scares me.
This.

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Also I think the OP source is wrong. There's NO WAY it's FIVE ZETTABYTES. That doesn't even make sense. I mean, the ENTIRE internet bandwidth between the US and EU is about 4.6tbp/s, according to those slides.... So 10^7 seconds of data... that's about 34.7 YEARS worth of the ENTIRE BANDWIDTH between the EU and US. That means every 1080p YouTube video you view - as the entire video file. Every website as the ENTIRE html thing, with pictures, flash, etc. ALL of the HD screenshots you upload, ALL the netflix you watch - they have multiple duplicate copies of ALL of that, for the next 35 years (at the current rate).

That... that is actually impossible. I don't even need to go into detail about how impossible that is.

It doesn't even make sense from a logical standpoint. Look at Psy's Gangnam style video. Lets say half of the views (so 500 million+) were from the EU connecting to US servers.. why would they need to keep FIVE HUNDRED MILLION COPIES OF GANGNAM STYLE?!

This is just like last year when stories about the "ARGUS-IS" spy drone came out, and people were claiming that by using 368-5mp cell phone cameras, they could zoom in from 7km altitude and see what phone you were using.... despite not having an analog zoom function. And that it produces "1 million terabytes of data per day" - which would mean an 11.6tb/s wireless connection.... a connection several times FASTER than the massive network of fiber CABLES used to connect the US and EU.


Basically, sensationalist junk again. Probably written by people who have no idea how tech works. Do some math before you write an article rolleyes.gif


/edit

Just noticed that the EU-US bandwidth is in TerraBITS while the storage is in ZettaBYTES. So multiple all that by 8. It's just more insane.

/edit

I'm bored and I haven't killed the OP article enough yet.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9209158/Scientists_calculate_total_data_stored_to_date_295_exabytes
So, in 2011, the ENTIRE amount of digital storage in EXISTANCE on THE ENTIRE PLANET was about 300 Exabytes.
This is FIVE ZETTABYTES.

That means that this ONE BUILDING in the US, that somehow cost only 1.2 Billion USD has about SIXTEEN TIMES more storage THAN ALL DIGITAL DEVICES IN THE WORLD.
ALL of the Giant google servers, intel servers, smart phones, HDDs, SSDs, ipods, cameras IN THE WORLD... ALL of those combined = 6% of this ONE building.


The only way this is even VAGUELY possible is if the US ACTUALLY HAS alien technology - not joke "haha it's so future-y it must be 'alien'" alien technology, I mean legitimate, "It came from an advanced space-faring civilization that VISITED EARTH" technology.



WHO WRITES THESE THINGS!?!?



(I'm kind of angry because whoever wrote this is dumb)


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"They would have plenty of space with five zettabytes to store at least something on the order of 100 years worth of the worldwide communications, phones and emails and stuff like that," Binney asserts, "and then have plenty of space left over to do any kind of parallel processing to try to break codes."

Binney seems to think its credible (I wouldn't know, myself) - he says a bit more about it here

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/10/what-do-they-know-about-you-an-interview-with-nsa-analyst-william-binney/
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