Originally Posted by Joephis19
The ability to store and have access to this much information goes far beyond giving up a little privacy. The right for law abiding citizens to live their lives without the government having the ability to monitor and store every modicum of their day is, IMO, an essential liberty.
Nice. I'll get to this below...
Originally Posted by lostmage
I've heard a couple times on the news that they have 1 yottabyte of storage. That's even more insane, and according to wikipedia, would entail a data center the size of Delaware and Rhode Island combined. And a quote from the same article on yottabytes- "The Utah Data Center, operated by the National Security Agency, is designed to store data on the scale of yottabytes."
Either they're blowing this WAY out of proportion, or they have some pretty darn compact storage.
Originally Posted by ryanrenolds08
Basically what I said in my post. The numbers are COMPLETELY inflated, and very much so.
Ya'll think this is far-fetched?
You're sure you know about all the technology that all of the government agencies and all of their suppliers and developers have access to?
Originally Posted by 5entinel
It's a good podcast and Mr.Gibson knows his stuff.
In a nutshell, the secret service has access to the pipeline from google,facebook, microsoft etc that directly feeds in and out of these companies...
They don't have access to the servers itself which is the truth. Everything we do is being saved onto a hard-drive for future use and can be used against you, if they have aroused suspicion about you. So those people who say that they have nothing to worry about should think twice about this. This information holds a lot of value and can be used against you in the future. So you are being profiled and logged without your consent.
Originally Posted by spikeSP
Thanks for this podcast!
I don't understand how more people aren't concerned about this...
Here's my part...
I did two jobs during my tenure with a uniform.
The first was the logo you see as my avatar, Special Operations Weather Team Specialist.
Very fun job, loads of good times, and some of the best compatriots anyone could ever have the chance to work with... fighting the good fight along side me! Blast of a life!
I was, however, injured. The Air Force asked me to retrain in order to be retained, and I did, into Signals Intelligence.
I don't really do a fair bit of blabbing about that job, simply because of two things:
1. I signed a paper saying that they can - without respect to my former 4th Amdt Rights - watch / follow / collect on me and my actions, calls, associations, transmitted data, major financial transactions, and MANY other things that most would consider highly personal and totally unnecessary for anyone to know. FOREVER. Not just until I got out. Not just until my clearance was cancelled or expired. F-O-R-E-V-E-R. Why? The stuff in my head would always and will always be there. Simple.
2. I don't run on about my job or what I did because I respect this nation and her flag, and even if my knowledge may be getting more aged by the day, I'm not a traitor. (Just my personal take, I'm not getting into the thick of it on anyone else here....)
Here's my point with all this though...
People around me (many of you, posters on other sites, citizens, etc.) are freaking out about this and having a ruddy heart attack because they feel like they have no privacy left, and that's just the "end of the world!" I guess it's different for me. I haven't had
what could pass for privacy for going on 10 years now. I just don't care.
I mean... THEY ALREADY HAVE
ME, man!!! I just can't get irate over this, and partially because I agree
with it, given proper constraints, but mostly because it can't hit home. I'm in that building somewhere already. I'm stuck in a drive in that storage center's predecessor.
I get all of your inferences. Scary or not, this has the potential for abuse, because to properly avoid automated errors, people have to analyze dangerous trends the systems spit out. People are fallible.
The computers can't always get the correct interpretation either, so that's why the people are there, and... yeah, that's why they pile billions into these places, to make sure the problems are minimal.
I guess I say all that to say this...
Cool article, a lot of people have good points, and valid thoughts, but where is anyone's Essential Liberty diminished any further in this knowledge than it was yesterday?
You all readily beam cell signals, texts, video chats, etc. to cell towers and then into space, counting on the fact that it will reach it's destination intact, and you expect privacy from that transaction?
I don't know that I have a valid point on the internet content portion, but again, I'm severely biased in that I have no real "freedom" here if the government so chooses, so, sorry!
I know, long read, don't yell at me. Just making a point.
Originally Posted by preachp
Example: "Hey Bruiser, I just bought a 69 Charger it is the BOMB
. I pput a PRESIDENT
cb in it. My TARGET
is swr of 1.2."
Now tell me is this person guilty of anything other than buying a car and putting a cb radio in it, NO! But you can bet your bottom dollar that the capitalized words would trigger all kinds of activity and LORD forbid this person were a farmer and just bought 3 tons of fertilizer for his fields and 5000 gallons of diesel to run his tractors/harvester etc. I can assure you this would come under great scrutiny. Also rest assured that the investigating agency would what ever was necessary to recoup their costs and justify their actions, including misinterpreting circumstantial evidence.
If you are OK with this that is fine but to be sure in your papers and articles DOES include your phone, email and internet history. If you CHOOSE to allow a cookie that is a choice and you have every right to make that CHOICE. But if you did not choose to do so and some unbenounced agency thought, well this guy believes in GOD or he sure buys a lot of heating oil or he visits the gun sites an awful lot and decides that you need to be monitored that is NOT OK. You have committed no crime and been involved in plots. Your behavior is not suspicious to, you only to the ghost that is collecting it.
The issue is that there are filters looking for key phrases and words, and yes they surely employ some type of fuzzy logic to sift, but when a certain number of triggers are hit your correspondence will become targeted for "further review". From that point you will no doubt have earned yourself a place in the higher suspicion database.
This is all very real.
Have a great day.
To something I said above; Analysts will typically lend a human eye to anything that triggers sensors in such a (fictitiously) violent manner.
Again, I tried to keep what I said apolitical and still get the point across, and hopefully I maintained that effort!
Thanks - T