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Assuming all of this is true, they are getting that deal from the sort of bulk discount you would get if you ordered 5,248,000 TB HDDs (assuming I worked out how many TB there are in 5 ZB) lol

You're off by 3 orders of magnitude.
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ok there was too much political drivel to go through but let me just explain a few things here by quoting some guys and replying to them.

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Originally Posted by littledonny View Post

The only problem with your assumption is that none of the information collected would pass 4th Amendment muster, and thus it would be inadmissible as evidence against you at trial. Without independent evidence that was gathered without running afoul of the 4th Amendment, the government would have no case at trial. Because of that, no district attorney would prosecute the case.

You and others mistakenly seem to think the NSA operates within the Criminal Justice system. I assure you, it does not.

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Originally Posted by doomlord52 View Post

This.

wth.gif

Also I think the OP source is wrong. There's NO WAY it's FIVE ZETTABYTES. That doesn't even make sense. I mean, the ENTIRE internet bandwidth between the US and EU is about 4.6tbp/s, according to those slides.... So 10^7 seconds of data... that's about 34.7 YEARS worth of the ENTIRE BANDWIDTH between the EU and US. That means every 1080p YouTube video you view - as the entire video file. Every website as the ENTIRE html thing, with pictures, flash, etc. ALL of the HD screenshots you upload, ALL the netflix you watch - they have multiple duplicate copies of ALL of that, for the next 35 years (at the current rate).

I removed the rest of your post because it was .. well nevermind. It wasn't worth anyone having to look at again. In 1986 NORAD databases had 10 Terabytes of storage. In 1986. In 1986. In 1986 <-- I am repeating that so you can understand that in 1986 the average computer didn't even have 100 Megabytes of storage. And this is NORAD. Not even the NSA but NORAD.

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"They would have plenty of space with five zettabytes to store at least something on the order of 100 years worth of the worldwide communications, phones and emails and stuff like that," Binney asserts, "and then have plenty of space left over to do any kind of parallel processing to try to break codes."

Binney seems to think its credible (I wouldn't know, myself) - he says a bit more about it here

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/10/what-do-they-know-about-you-an-interview-with-nsa-analyst-william-binney/

All I can tell you is I think that whoever is writing it is actually being conservative with the estimate. The NSA has been known to build ridiculous mainframes and farms for data storage and mining and the 5 zettabytes seems like a low ball number to me.

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Originally Posted by dogbiscuit View Post

"So, in 2011, the ENTIRE amount of digital storage in EXISTANCE on THE ENTIRE PLANET was about 300 Exabytes."

Did they include big systems like the NSA, and whatever belongs to other nations, in their sums ?

What if the Chinese or Russians also have a mega warehouse - wouldn't the NSA want a bigger warehouse so they can hack the enemy and grab their entire data store ?
And then the Chinese will want an even bigger warehouse to warehouse the NSA data that .... OK, no, that's silly.

2016 is the year of the zettabyte, says here, taking info from here which says,

"By 2017, global IP traffic will reach an annual run rate of 1.4 zettabytes, up from 523 exabytes in 2012"

So that's 1.4 zettabytes, and then exponential growth in the years after that - but like you say a lot of that is multiple copies of the same Gangnam Style video.
Useful info must be a fraction of that - for spy purposes anyway.

But are we not also verging on an internet of things, in which a lot of devices are going to be sending their own little signals - more data traffic to be taken ?

And then there is non internet data, and traffic that may not be public like military traffic ? I would guess that a lot of military data doesn't go down the regular internet or telephone routes - but still is a target and therefore has to be accounted for ?

I bet its more than 5 zettabytes that they built into their database warehouses. I'd bet my life on it. This is the NSA they do not mess around or go small.
 
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This is the NSA they do not mess around or go small.

Best sentence in the whole thread and the truth.
 
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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

This! Is that the quote word for word? I can never remember it
 
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I don't care if they store all my data. They can process only so much. Unless I red flag them somehow or close acquaintances of mine are flagged and they need to do related search on me, whatever they have on me will never be pulled up.
Also I'd rather have them do this and prevent tragic events from happening without us knowing so we can live our lives without knowing.
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Makes me think.. you know, for the past I don't know how many years, HDD prices were through the roof, maybe that was a way for the manufacturers to fend off consumers in order to cater for those large accounts.. *wink* *wink* haha.

Right, NOTHING to do with a flood in Thailand that everyone around the globe predicted and agreed was the source. So not only does the US Government control the media outlets in the States, now they control the media across the globe? doh.gif
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ok there was too much political drivel to go through but let me just explain a few things here by quoting some guys and replying to them.
You and others mistakenly seem to think the NSA operates within the Criminal Justice system. I assure you, it does not.
I removed the rest of your post because it was .. well nevermind. It wasn't worth anyone having to look at again. In 1986 NORAD databases had 10 Terabytes of storage. In 1986. In 1986. In 1986 <-- I am repeating that so you can understand that in 1986 the average computer didn't even have 100 Megabytes of storage. And this is NORAD. Not even the NSA but NORAD.
All I can tell you is I think that whoever is writing it is actually being conservative with the estimate. The NSA has been known to build ridiculous mainframes and farms for data storage and mining and the 5 zettabytes seems like a low ball number to me.
I bet its more than 5 zettabytes that they built into their database warehouses. I'd bet my life on it. This is the NSA they do not mess around or go small.

proof.gif In the last thread, you seemed to throw around a lot of knowledge about the inner workings of agencies like the NSA, I'd like to know where you get your information from. Did some looking around, I can't see any evidence that's how much they had, nor do I see any proof on the internet that much storage is remotely possible with today's tech...
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Originally Posted by Joephis19 View Post

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Highlighted the important part everyone seems to miss out of this. Essential liberty, not some privacy. Doesn't mean I agree with what the NSA might or might not be doing, but I'm tired of people not using this quotation correctly.
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Damn! At least they are doing this to protect us.
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This! Is that the quote word for word? I can never remember it

That is Ben Franklin's original quote, with all the old school capitalization intact.
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