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$250-$300

I'd probably buy it over the i5-3570K and -4670K but not over the 3770K and 4770K.

https://twitter.com/AMD_Unprocessed/status/344480543217430528
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Expensive CPU for PR purposes.
 
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post #33 of 525
You Intel guys don't give up. Is it bothering you this much that Intel just basically released a side-grade for gamers and enthusiasts and AMD is releasing all this stuff for gamers and enthusiasts?

The CPU coming out at the rumored $800 is impossible. It's going to OEMs first and a CPU of that price would inflate the cost of the final system to ridiculous levels.

Get over it guys, AMD still cares about us and Intel doesn't. All Intel has going for enthusiasts right now is bigger bar graphs in old games. If Intel wasn't neglecting and ignoring us I wouldn't be so hostile towards them, but I'm not going to defend a company that's literally killing us off (locking down overclocking, not giving people a reason to upgrade, ignoring us, removing features from CPUs in trade for overclocking, inhibiting overclocking and encouraging de-lidding by using TIM instead of solder for IHS) just because they can encode mp3s in LAME 40 seconds faster or they get 140fps in Skyrim instead of 90.

I simply don't get how you guys can't comprehend this chip is going to be faster than 4770k in multi-thread. FX 8350 is already close in fairly compile programs (like x264), and it's getting a 20% to 25% clock speed increase stock.



4.9ghz beats stock 4770k in x264 and new FX is going to run at that speed. It's the first time in a long time where AMD is going to have a significant lead over a new Intel product. And all they did was make some small tweaks to the existing architecture that is much slower. Contrast with Intel who spent billions on R&D for Haswell and they gave us nothing.

The reason why I use x264 is because I know it's a fair benchmark. Considering AMD is going to have their hands all over next gen games, the quality of compiled code optimizations is going to be very far up in the air.

x264 is one program I have not seen ridiculous gains in between Gentoo and Windows, so I feel it's an accurate representation of FX 8350's true performance. Contrast this with benchmarks like LAME where I see a 60% increase in performance in Gentoo.

If you can not prove that a benchmark is fair and does not give excessive gains on certain hardware after being recompiled, I have no interest in it. I have seen performance double by recompiling. I no longer trust benchmarks that I can not recompile.
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Sorry but a 220TDP product in todays tech market is just dumb.
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Sdlvx, a harsh, but honest man. Great post.
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I also hate how people make the TDP into some terrible evil thing.
post #37 of 525
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Originally Posted by sdlvx View Post

You Intel guys don't give up. Is it bothering you this much that Intel just basically released a side-grade for gamers and enthusiasts and AMD is releasing all this stuff for gamers and enthusiasts?

The CPU coming out at the rumored $800 is impossible. It's going to OEMs first and a CPU of that price would inflate the cost of the final system to ridiculous levels.

Get over it guys, AMD still cares about us and Intel doesn't. All Intel has going for enthusiasts right now is bigger bar graphs in old games. If Intel wasn't neglecting and ignoring us I wouldn't be so hostile towards them, but I'm not going to defend a company that's literally killing us off (locking down overclocking, not giving people a reason to upgrade, ignoring us, removing features from CPUs in trade for overclocking, inhibiting overclocking and encouraging de-lidding by using TIM instead of solder for IHS) just because they can encode mp3s in LAME 40 seconds faster or they get 140fps in Skyrim instead of 90.

I simply don't get how you guys can't comprehend this chip is going to be faster than 4770k in multi-thread. FX 8350 is already close in fairly compile programs (like x264), and it's getting a 20% to 25% clock speed increase stock.



4.9ghz beats stock 4770k in x264 and new FX is going to run at that speed. It's the first time in a long time where AMD is going to have a significant lead over a new Intel product. And all they did was make some small tweaks to the existing architecture that is much slower. Contrast with Intel who spent billions on R&D for Haswell and they gave us nothing.

The reason why I use x264 is because I know it's a fair benchmark. Considering AMD is going to have their hands all over next gen games, the quality of compiled code optimizations is going to be very far up in the air.

x264 is one program I have not seen ridiculous gains in between Gentoo and Windows, so I feel it's an accurate representation of FX 8350's true performance. Contrast this with benchmarks like LAME where I see a 60% increase in performance in Gentoo.

If you can not prove that a benchmark is fair and does not give excessive gains on certain hardware after being recompiled, I have no interest in it. I have seen performance double by recompiling. I no longer trust benchmarks that I can not recompile.

So just because it beats a 3.5ghz 4770K at 4.9ghz we should be impressed? lachen.gif what version of x264 does that graph represent? I'd like to run it myself to post results
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Pre-overclocked 8350 at an inflated price is a great enthusiast product? Sounds like a great OEM / uninformed customer product to me.

I can take my 8320 to 5.4ghz with good enough stability for day to day applications. Why would I shell out more money than $160?
 
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Pre-overclocked 8350 at an inflated price is a great enthusiast product? Sounds like a great OEM / uninformed customer product to me.

I can take my 8320 to 5.4ghz with good enough stability for day to day applications. Why would I shell out more money than $160?

Is that a mistype? $160 dollars?

If you are considering buying a 5ghz processor, you probably are wanting to achieve a little more than day to day applications. Nobody is asking you to buy it.
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lachen.gif No.. No it wont be.

IMO 299.99 is a good price

You're probably right about the price, as AMD hasn't had a desktop CPU cost more than $225-$240 at launch in as long a time as I can remember. However, I think that if these are a desktop release of the improvements made with the Richland APUs, it could surprise quite a few people with how good this processor has the potential to be. After all, the FX-8350's were a decent step closer to the i7-3770K, which to be honest is the most even intel offering for it to target. Closest fully unlocked 8 thread capable processor. Grant it that in most single threaded benches you'll see the i7 win by 15-30%, but in multi-threaded uses the 8350 gets within 5-15% of the i7. If the improvements on the 9590 release and the Steamroller translate into around a 20-30% improvement in single threaded operations, with the memory controllers for Steamroller currently stated to handle 2133MHz without OC, that will pull AMD within about 10% in single thread and potentially about even or ahead in multi-thread. The 9590 could be a big shot across Intel's bow leading up to the launch of Steamroller next year. As others have said in the FX-9000 thread, if the 9590 and Steamroller end up pulling AMD processors within about 5-10% or so of Intel i-7 performance, and maintain their average cost of being around 1/3 to 1/2 less... Intel could be in big trouble in the next couple years.

The reason that Intel lovers like yourself and many others on here should stop your fanboy chest-thumping and actually be excited about this is it would lead to three things. First, Intel would be almost certainly forced to lower prices. Second, Intel would almost certainly be forced to launch an 8-core mainstream processor. And Third, we would see Intel and AMD in a neck and neck R&D race again for the next several years... which leads to better performance leaps and hardware available to all of us at lower prices. So at least be hoping (in quiet closet secrecy if you must) that AMD hits a home run with the 9590 and the Steamroller because if they do, we all win big in the long run.
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