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It is the oldest sales gimmick in the world. You get 3 people to sale the item. One person is on your side, willing to jump through hoops. The second person is on the companies side, they become the enemy and clearly want to rip you off.

Then you have the 3rd guy called the closer. He simply strikes a middle ground.

For example.

You walk on to a car parking lot. The first sales person you meet will give you a really low ball offer on a car, lets say 5,000 dollars. He will say, "are you willing to drive this off the lot for 5,000?" If you say yes, he will get you into the office where he will have a majical meeting to go to. He will hand it off to another sales person that will say, "Ok, you told my partner 5000 down and how would you like to pay for the other 20,000 dollars?"

You say, that is 25,000 for a used car that retails 24,000 dollars new, what the heck. He will look all upset, try to talk you into the 25,000 dollars price saying it is like new.

Then he will go talk to his boss. The boss will come out, either make an offer there or assign someone.

They will start at 10,000 dollars and work down.

Bottom line, the whole process was created to get you to he said she said and completely turned around.

This is the same game.

Xbox and ps4 have the same policy. They are simply telling you that they are not in control of it. Hoping you would get soo lost in the he said she said, you give up and buy it for the price they want.

The only want to win at this game is to walk away.
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Originally Posted by RiverOfIce View Post

It is the oldest sales gimmick in the world. You get 3 people to sale the item. One person is on your side, willing to jump through hoops. The second person is on the companies side, they become the enemy and clearly want to rip you off.

Then you have the 3rd guy called the closer. He simply strikes a middle ground.

For example.

You walk on to a car parking lot. The first sales person you meet will give you a really low ball offer on a car, lets say 5,000 dollars. He will say, "are you willing to drive this off the lot for 5,000?" If you say yes, he will get you into the office where he will have a majical meeting to go to. He will hand it off to another sales person that will say, "Ok, you told my partner 5000 down and how would you like to pay for the other 20,000 dollars?"

You say, that is 25,000 for a used car that retails 24,000 dollars new, what the heck. He will look all upset, try to talk you into the 25,000 dollars price saying it is like new.

Then he will go talk to his boss. The boss will come out, either make an offer there or assign someone.

They will start at 10,000 dollars and work down.

Bottom line, the whole process was created to get you to he said she said and completely turned around.

This is the same game.

Xbox and ps4 have the same policy. They are simply telling you that they are not in control of it. Hoping you would get soo lost in the he said she said, you give up and buy it for the price they want.

The only want to win at this game is to walk away.

I'll just get a Wii U.
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Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy View Post

That kind of response only proves his point.

As does Sony showing what is an INFERIOR sharing system to Microsofts, and Sony getting praise for it.

I.e.

Sony:
Give game to friend. Cannot play that game until you get it back. If another friend wants to borrow, you wait till HE's finished with your disc too.

And you hope your disc comes back in one piece. If you get it back at all.

MS:
Enable friend to use your purchase to download the game on their system. You can still play your game because you never actually gave it away. You can launch it from your console at any time, disc or not.

You can set up a sharing ring between ten friends and if you want to trade "possession" of the currently traded game between any of the ten friends, it takes a split second.



But then Sony released a pretty awesome video taking the mickey out of MS's SUPERIOR game sharing system and everyone celebrates.

Classic internet.

Classic.


edit: lol @ people posting as if every time you want to borrow a game, you need to add a new friend. As if your xbl friends list from 8 years ago suddenly disappeared rolleyes.gif
You don't get it do you?

Once you sell or trade that copy via Live, that's it, it can't be sold or traded again.

That sets a terrible precedent.

If I buy a retail copy of a game, I own it. If I sell it, the next person owns it. That's how it should be, that's how it's always been. Suddenly software is exempt from this quintessential factor in a free market because developers/Microsoft say so? That's freaking ridiculous!

Greed is the driving force behind that; nothing else.

PS4 gives you some freedom as a consumer, Xbox One doesn't. Xbox loses.
 
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Originally Posted by Cheezman View Post

You don't get it do you?

Once you sell or trade that copy via Live, that's it, it can't be sold or traded again.

That sets a terrible precedent.

If I buy a retail copy of a game, I own it. If I sell it, the next person owns it. That's how it should be, that's how it's always been. Suddenly software is exempt from this quintessential factor in a free market because developers/Microsoft say so? That's freaking ridiculous!

Greed is the driving force behind that; nothing else.

PS4 gives you some freedom as a consumer, Xbox One doesn't. Xbox loses.

If I buy a game new and then sell it I don't care what happens to it. If I buy a game used knowing that I can't sell it then I buy a game used and can't sell it. I don't see what the problem is unless you own a Gamestop that give me $10 back on a $60 game only to resell it for $55.
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I thought this might be relevant to the topic as well considering used games:
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Originally Posted by xSociety View Post

People who are hating on the X1 are ignoring facts like crazy and are in full circlejerk mode.
Didn't people loathe Onlive the SUPER DRM before XCRAP1 ?
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Originally Posted by GAMERIG View Post

Didn't people loathe Onlive the SUPER DRM before XCRAP1 ?

Only the people who have nothing better to complain about lol. My personal thought is if you don't like the direction the XB1 is going then don't buy it. I have both consoles now (PS3 and 360) and I haven't turned my PS3 on in over a year. So apparently the 360 DRM and Live doesn't bother me.
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"Trade" was the wrong word to use then.

With PS4, if you want to borrow a game to a friend:

-you give them a disc, likely after you've finished with the game
-you get the game back either when they're done with it or when your patience/OCD runs dry.
-you don't get to play while they have your disc
-you require physical interaction with whomever you are sharing your game with
-game discs scratch and break


With XBO, if you want to borrow a game to a friend:

-you authorise them (and upto 9 other friends) to install and play on their system
-you don't need to wait till they're ready to give up playing the game full stop before you can play it again
-you don't need to feel like you're done with the game before you borrow your game, because you technically always have it, even when your friends do.
-you don't need your disc back full stop
-you can actively share your game with people on the other side of the world.
-you can download your game from the cloud if your disc ever breaks



So, the actual game sharing facilities between the two systems is actually superior on XBO in terms of convenience.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 6/11/13 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy View Post

"Trade" was the wrong word to use then.

With PS4, if you want to borrow a game to a friend:

-you give them a disc, likely after you've finished with the game
-you get the game back either when they're done with it or when your patience/OCD runs dry.
-you don't get to play while they have your disc
-game discs scratch and break


With XBO, if you want to borrow a game to a friend:

-you authorise them (and upto 9 other friends) to install and play on their system
-you don't need to wait till they're ready to give up playing the game full stop before you can play it again
-you don't need to feel like you're done with the game before you borrow your game, because you technically always have it, even when your friends do.
-you don't need your disc back full stop
-you can download your game from the cloud if your disc ever breaks



So, the actual game sharing facilities between the two systems is actually superior on XBO in terms of convenience.
It's a great system. Too bad it's going to fall on deaf ears with these circlejerkers.
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Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy View Post

"Trade" was the wrong word to use then.

With PS4, if you want to borrow a game to a friend:

-you give them a disc, likely after you've finished with the game
-you get the game back either when they're done with it or when your patience/OCD runs dry.
-you don't get to play while they have your disc
-you require physical interaction with whomever you are sharing your game with
-game discs scratch and break


With XBO, if you want to borrow a game to a friend:

-you authorise them (and upto 9 other friends) to install and play on their system
-you don't need to wait till they're ready to give up playing the game full stop before you can play it again
-you don't need to feel like you're done with the game before you borrow your game, because you technically always have it, even when your friends do.
-you don't need your disc back full stop
-you can actively share your game with people on the other side of the world.
-you can download your game from the cloud if your disc ever breaks



So, the actual game sharing facilities between the two systems is actually superior on XBO in terms of convenience.

In ways but a 40GB game... It'll take ages to dl. It'd be quicker and better for me to walk to my buddies house.
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