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Why would anyone ever want JBOD for backups? (Also note, that JBOD can also refer to spanning a disks together.)

You will not logged onto the machine.... only for maintainence. Windows 8 adds the Storage Space feature. If you don't like W8, you can use open source file-storage systems (i.e. FreeNAS) but they may require a bit more work/education if you are unfamilar with *nix.

If you don't want any file system redundency, then you will personally have to ensure and manage multiple copies of files across multiple drives. It is a waste of time, prone to errors, and not near-time.
Look at these cases: http://www.u-nas.com/cases.html I am still waiting for the 6 bay one to become avaliable.

If you want a SFF build....Check out the ASRock FM2A85X-ITX with SEVEN SATA 6Gb/s on a mITX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157357


Hardware or firmware RAID? You may want to look at non-standard software RAID.... this technology has definitely advanced in the last 5 years. IMO, the biggest benefit is they allow unequal drive size so you can expand the arrays down the road with different sized HDDs.

Thanks for the link but I cant find pricing on their website, but they have ALOT of useful features... DDns/easy FTP and even mail hosting.
 
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They are selling their OS here: http://www.u-nas.com/xcart/home.php?cat=251


Don't bother with their OS.... you can get that for free already. It is probably some custom build of Linux and packages.
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Why would anyone ever want JBOD for backups?

JBOD is a term that is bandied about and sometimes used wrongly. That is the term we used back and forth with MSI for the correct hardware update of my two MSI SATA expansion cards - which allows for 8 disks per computer. I did not want to use RAID with the MSI cards, so we called it JBOD.

All my computers are networked - 3 Win 7 and 1 Linux. What I meant by JBOD is just another computer which I have already built that has only an OS and lots of networked hdd's. With that setup I can use Allway Sync to live-stream the partitions/hdd's I want backed up to the New Win 7 "backup server" for which I just purchased another SSD (for OS only) and 3 3 TB Caviar Green hdd's plus another Netgear GB unmanaged switch. So just a stupidly simple setup is about all I need - at least that is what I think.

I'm right now experiencing sensory-overload, and just think this is the simplest solution so I can get back to my actual work.

Please feel free to tell me I'm wrong. I'm always open to constructive criticism. thumb.gif
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JBOD is a term that is bandied about and sometimes used wrongly. That is the term we used back and forth with MSI for the correct hardware update of my two MSI SATA expansion cards - which allows for 8 disks per computer. I did not want to use RAID with the MSI cards, so we called it JBOD.

All my computers are networked - 3 Win 7 and 1 Linux. What I meant by JBOD is just another computer which I have already built that has only an OS and lots of networked hdd's. With that setup I can use Allway Sync to live-stream the partitions/hdd's I want backed up to the New Win 7 "backup server" for which I just purchased another SSD (for OS only) and 3 3 TB Caviar Green hdd's plus another Netgear GB unmanaged switch. So just a stupidly simple setup is about all I need - at least that is what I think.

I'm right now experiencing sensory-overload, and just think this is the simplest solution so I can get back to my actual work.

Please feel free to tell me I'm wrong. I'm always open to constructive criticism. thumb.gif

You end up wasting disk space since you won't be able to fit everything exactly into the network disk and each drive has zero redundency.....

You would be better off pooling the drives together and use parity for 1 failure redundency. Then create seperate partitions from this pool for each machine.

Setup maybe more simple in your design, but it will be more complicated/wasteful in the long term. It does not take much additional work to set up RAID or non-standard RAID.
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Setup maybe more simple in your design, but it will be more complicated/wasteful in the long term. It does not take much additional work to set up RAID or non-standard RAID.

DuckieHo, I asked you to disagree with me and that you did. Thank you so much. I never really thought about how much disk space I was wasting. Very, very good point.

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If I'm not being too much of an on-going pain for you, which one would you suggest that both maximized my disk space usage and allows for disk failure w/out loss of work?

I might be a PITA but I really do want to learn. Thank you for sharing you knowledge with me.
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So I first want to apologize for not reading through your entire thread.

From my understanding, you are a small business. You have 3 Windows 7 PCs and 1 Linux PC, with no servers or centralized storage. You are looking for a centralized backup solution, and not necessarily a centralized storage solution. Since you are a business, I always recommend buying OEM hardware since it has support. With a warranty, you get support and that is key for a business. I would highly recommend a prebuilt solution such as a Thecus, QNAP, Synology, or Drobo network based storage system. I am a fan of Thecus, since they have a 5 bay device for about $500. Dual gigabit NICs (LACP for redundancy and increased performance), as well as eSATA and USB (if needed). Has an OS already on it, web based management, and it really is something that you will set up in the corner and forget about it. Thecus (like the other NAS I listed) has a builtin backup utility that will make things simple for you. Most of these devices can support RAID 0, 1, 5, 10, and some can do others such as 6, 50, 60. For a backup solution, I would recommend a RAID 5 if you need the maximum amount of space. I would never touch a RAID 5 with more than 8TB in a single array. If you have less than 2TB of data, I would look for a 4 drive NAS and do a RAID 10 with 4 3TB drives. You will have 6TB usable storage, and can sustain 2 drive failures. You will also have great performance (if you needed it). RAID 10 is the best choice, if you don't need the maximum amount of space.

I can provide links to the specific devices I recommend, if requested.

Just my two cents.

EDIT: Another reason to go with OEM hardware is that it seems you may play the primary IT role for your business, but you aren't a full time IT person. If you have other things you want to focus on, you don't want to have to deal with building a device, maintaining hardware, troubleshooting if something goes wrong, etc. You just want it to work and someone else to fix it if something happens.
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If I'm not being too much of an on-going pain for you, which one would you suggest that both maximized my disk space usage and allows for disk failure w/out loss of work?

I might be a PITA but I really do want to learn. Thank you for sharing you knowledge with me.

RAID types: http://www.acnc.com/raid

If this is for a business, go with an OEM solution. Just sticking data on a bunch of disks haphazardly is not a recommended approach.
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