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Just a little summary of results, testing and how people got on last weekend playing with Haswell at the OCN N2OC | Haswell Launch Party. Hopefully I can shed some light on what goes into these events and Ln2 overclocking in general.
 

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The idea of the OCN Launch party is to have a live-stream from the moment NDA lifts, pushing the system, competing against each-other and answering any questions the viewers may have.

The beauty of it comes with the prep work, or lack there of. In the past we've sent systems to each of the Overclockers participating in the "benchoff" and not let them peel the seal until the NDA lifts to make sure all the overclocking and troubleshooting outside of literature is done live in the most organic way possible. Think of it as a live review, only with Liquid Nitrogen and just for Overclockers.

With the help of the guys at Gigabyte and Intel we managed to take this to a new level for the Haswell launch and turn it into an actual live event, with 12 benchers all in the same place armed with 12 brand new systems sporting i7 4770K CPU's and Gigabyte Z87X-OC motherboards.

Fast Forward to Thursday. T minus 72 hours until NDA Lift off and the boards show up at my door. Before then I had been sitting here with a tray of CPU's fiending to get overclocking. Having that many CPU's and no board is like having Cigarettes and no lighter, or for non-smokers... Poptarts and no toaster (I don't think even that quite captures the frustration). Thankfully shortly after, my little overclocking buddy K404 arrived from Glasgow to help with some of the pretesting.

 

 

 

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They refused to put their paw print on the non disclosure agreement but they did help a little with pretesting


For air testing we used a set voltage of 1.25vcore and ran wprime to see roughly where the chips limits were. We saw pretty quickly that even though these chips were all from the same batch, they had very little in common with each other. We had a range of chips, some lost stability over 4.7Ghz and some went over 4.9Ghz, Strangely we were seeing the hotter chips clock higher pretty consistently. Apart from one anomaly in 'Chip 7' that was loading very high in comparison at lower clocks.

That really was the only pattern emerging, the hotter the chips, the higher they went. You might expect this behavior on Phenom II where higher leakage chips were the way to go if you wanted higher clocks on Ln2 but on air... that's pretty strange. For example, our worst air chips maxed over 4.7Ghz and loaded in the low 80°C range. At the same clocks the chips that went onto pass the 4.9 mark in wprime were loading in the high 90°C range. Perculiar.

There was still that anomaly that we chalked up as to hot to handle that loaded at 100°C and was the lowest clocker out of all of them.

We also found that (before a new bios) Kenny's old Crucial "smart tracers" ram kit from the X58 days at max clocks was beating out the newer Hynix and PSC kits by a good margin in terms of Super Pi 32m efficiency. Once we got a new bios and went cold, the IMC opened up and the story changed but it may be worth keeping an eye on some of those newer Mircron ram kits with the tighter tRCD for our 24/7 Overclockers as they are very cheap.

T minus 48 hours till Launch. Setting up at the venue, getting everything ready, salivating over the new hardware and meeting everybody again. Some new faces smile.gif

 

 


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Left- 12 Z87x-OC motherboards waiting for benchers to play with. Right- a tray of some lovely new I7 4770K's.
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Left- Dewar finaly full and ready to go. Right- SmokinWaffles installing his OS's very slowly on phase.
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Left- Gappo, Blindfitter, Dualist. Right- Unpacking
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Left- Supplies? Check! Right - Almost ready...Scoot&Claire made a bit of a flamboyant entrance as always

 


T minus 24 hours to launch. Day one was purely for testing, getting ready for launch time when the party started. Learning the ins and outs of the new system, OS prep, tweaking, ram testing, 3D testing. More Phase and Air than Nitrogen overclocking until later on.

 

 

 

 

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Driftingforlife warming up from a coldbug


When a lot of people see Ln2 overclocking they tend to think that's all there is too it. Pour a little Nitrogen, remove that heat from all that extra voltage and done. Well...There's a little more going on than that. The Silicon itself actually becomes a much better conductor at temperatures so low, most chips will scale with temperature as well as voltage but again it's not quite as simple as full pot and go. Haswell does have a coldbug, a point where it will cease to function when cold, we saw coldbugs from -80°C all the way down to -150°C and as you can imagine those chips with higher coldbugs didn't clock as high because of it. K404 also noticed a PCI-E coldbug of sorts where below -120°C the system would start to stutter during 3d tests, thus it was dubbed "cold-stutter". So if you're wondering "Why is Rich using a blowtorch? Isn't that a little counter-productive?" That's why.

 

 

 

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Driftingforlife's setup


Driftingforlife tested one chip and had managed 6.1Ghz 1c/1t on day 1 with a coldbug of -105°C. 1.8Vcore set in bios and 1.68v measured, this is because the Q6ES stepping cpu we were using has a voltage cap at roughly 1.65v due to a problem with fiVR. That issue was solved with later steppings.

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Left- Smokin's 775 setup. Right- Post graduation


Smokinwaffles is known for having some really nice setups, lovely watercooling loops and some dope cases. Unfortunately he's also known for never actually overclocking... because he's weird like that. Fortunately he's redeemed himself with a crash course in benching. First call of order was to get used to overclocking and the cold so he pinched Driftings phase unit in the morning and managed some nice numbers on phase with his 775 setup.

Next for Mr Waffles was graduation to Ln2, with a Marksman no less. He didn't quite match his phase scores for some reason but got used to pouring nitrogen and onto the next step. Scooter gave him an IvyBridge setup that we know is rock solid stable at 6.3Ghz, Waffles was given the mission of find the settings and left to his own devices. He did quite well and once he had learned to properly overclock, control a pot and a coldbug he grabbed himself a Haswell setup in time for Launch day.

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There's a little work to do but he's almost there tongue.gif
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Greed4Speed's return to benching.


Greed4speed showed up late on Saturday after all the "good" chips had been pinched from the tray. Last time I saw Henry benching was at a Christmas benching meet back in 2010 I think it was but he didn't disappoint. I gave him a choice out of the 3 remaining chips (a 4.7 air chip, a 4.8 air chip and #7 that was too hot to handle) and he decides to go with the "Bad on air = Good on ln2" school of thought. Pops in lucky chip number 7 and straight to 6.1Ghz on one of his first boots. That was a bit of an eye opener... Air binning for Ln2 yielded nothing, no conclusive results.

By the end of the day he was up to 6.3Ghz 4C/8T under 6 seconds in Super Pi and a coldbug of -130°C

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Topdog prepping for haswell and going cold on Ivy with 4 5870's.


When Topdog got around to going cold with his 4770k ( One of THE best chips on air ) he found the coldbug to be at a comparatively high -90°C. He managed to find stability at 5.8Ghz but in the grand scheme of things it's a little disappointing especially when he has a cracking Ivy chip sat right there. TD is the man with a plan and always seems to rack up the points at these events, not one to be deterred he grabbed a UP7 and got on with some 4-Way as well as taking his Super Sempron for a spin on an old 790x Gigabyte board.



Lift off!

Waiting on the youtube upload but for now you can re-watch the stream on the Twitch.tv channel here

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It took us a while to get into the swing of things with the livestream. The majority of benchers had just switched to Ln2 and Scooter.jay who was meant to be running our livestream came down pretty hard with food poisoning and had to tap out so things were a little hectic. Fortunately the Fabulous Claire was around to help out while I ran around with new bios's and insulation etc.

 

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The easiest way to go over the results is going to be to pull the I7 4770K hardware rankings as of now because they are all quite closely grouped at the moment. You can differentiate our results by their usernames or more obviously the flags, all Union Jacks apart from K404 flying the Scottish Saint Andrew's Cross.

 

 

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Quite a good showing by our guys in Wprime 32m. I know there are better chips out there in the hands of some very good Overclockers but the results haven't surfaced outside of Computex yet... Manufacturers sandbagging each other? I don't know but it's nice for now I guess, if not a little unnerving. The best result was K404 shortly after the event with 6185Mhz and a time of 3.672 followed up by Willhemans who had the best chip by a good margin on the day seeing up to 6.5Ghz for CPU-Z.

 

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K404's Wprime Run

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If you're a fellow bencher or HWbot user then you've probably heard of K404, you've also probably seen him Dominating on anything that is green and supplies a video output. And if you've been on HWbot long enough you may of been around on one rare moments where all the planets aline and Kenny actually submits a score( Or a thousand ) . If you aren't.... I'll save you the wait and just let you know how he got on with those SLI G92's (And Phantom Chubby GPU pots wink.gif ) he was playing with;
3D01: 139194 (silver)
3D03: 112761 (GOLD)
3D05: 58118 (GOLD)
3D06: 41103 (GOLD)

 

 

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Willhemman's Wprime Run.


The Above result was actually at 6190Mhz but down-clocked for the screenshot I believe. Using Windows 8 as opposed to the preferred XP/Vista is probably why his efficiency is a little off Kenny's run. The OCtouch buttons work great natively in windows 8 apparently.

 

 


Another decent showing from Willhemmens in Wprime 1024. Here you can see the difference between chips. Will with the strongest chip from the tray and Topdog with the stinker. It may not look like much of a difference but that 300Mhz and 3 seconds to a bencher may as well be 3 weeks. Another thing worth noting about Will's setup is that he was using on-board graphics. Usually this would put a big dent in your overclock and be really taxing on system memory but considering he was the fastest on site and pushing some quite high ram frequencies, I think it's safe to say that it isn't going to be much of a problem with Haswell.

 

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Greed4speed out of left field with a 6.3Ghz Spi run.

 


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Definitely some headroom there with uncore, OS and memory speed/timings. Brute Haswell force is keeping that time down. I don't have any more pictures of Henry so I'll just add in some of Scooter.Jay's modeling shots.


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While TopDog didn't get very lucky with Haswell he did go on a rampage once he was let lose
I7 4770K Super Pi 1m = 6.719 seconds
I7 4770K Wprime 32m = 4.072 seconds
I7 4770K Wprime 1024m = 121.859 seconds
Reference clock Z87 = 103.2
Memory Clock of 3020Mhz

PCMark 2005 with I7 3770K & UP7 = 61290
3DMark05 with HD7970 = 59236

Aquamark with 3870x2 = 441533
3Dmark03 with 3870x2 = 88122

3Dmark06 with dual 5870's = 46578
3Dmark2001 with dual 5870's = 138558

3Dmark05 with quad 5870's = 60681
3Dmark03 with quad 5870's = 225117

CPU-Z with Sempron 140 = 6034Mhz
Cinebench with Sempron 145 = 1.64 WR


All in all I think we got quite lucky with the chips, they clocked well despite the QE6S batch voltage cap and good results were had. A lot of personal bests were broken, 2 Ln2 cherries popped and a couple of virtual fistful's of hwbot trophies were taken to top it off. The boards behaved well for pretty much everyone. There was very little downtime for anyone benching and no deaths (other than a revodrive going kaput out of the blue frown.gif ) the only real issues were when scooter failed to produce after missing a few bent pins and when K404 left his OC Ignition on when going out for lunch, he returned to a very soggy system including 1 very hot 8800gts. Bit of a cautionary tale there.... Don't leave OC ignition on for a long time with gpu pots like that, they don't tend to dissipate heat very well without Ln2. Also OC Ignition only supplies power to the first card so if you're sat twiddling your thumbs trying to warm up the second card... get a heatgun out.

HUGE thank you to Gigabyte and Intel for hooking us up for this event as well as Admin for picking up the tab. It was a great little event and I can't wait to do it again biggrin.gif See you next month for the Toronto installment...

 

 

 


There are some more pictures from the event in the Image Gallery here and the original discussion thread here. Images courtesy of Smokinwaffles and Willhemmens thumb.gif So nice to have more people snapping pics at these meets.

Any questions please do ask in the thread thumb.gif

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Any 4770K cpu frequency validations?
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driftingforlife: Well done! As you could well expect, I'd love you to post that http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2820671 in the [Official] 5GHz Club, and anyone else with appropriate 4770K or 4670K cpuz validations.. thumb.gif
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driftingforlife: As you could well expect, I'd love you to post that http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2820671 in the [Official] 5GHz Club, and anyone else with appropriate 4770K or 4670K cpuz validations.. thumb.gif

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Nice work guys. Too bad Giga hadnt delivered on that BIOS to fix bclk and uncore issue before then. I am sure your results would have benefited greatly. Good showing and good fun I am sure playing on the new platform.

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Originally Posted by alancsalt View Post

Any 4770K cpu frequency validations?

A couple more

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2821029


http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2819975



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Nice work guys. Too bad Giga hadnt delivered on that BIOS to fix bclk and uncore issue before then. I am sure your results would have benefited greatly. Good showing and good fun I am sure playing on the new platform.

We did get F5B thanks to Bassplayer on the Saturday. Would definitely of been nice to have more play time beforehand, things were cut a bit too close.
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Great write up! Pumped for the next one! biggrin.gif

I do have a 6Ghz 3770k validation but it's on an old CPUz. Also have 6GHz/6.1GHz 4770k validations that are giving me issues, shame..
    
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