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I kind of disagree that you should be banned from all online games for cheating. If you cheat in competetive games then yes. But if you play a online game that isn't competitive and just for the lulz then i can't see why you should be banned from all your games for having fun.

Tough i don't cheat anymore i used to in some games if i got bored and needed a little fun.

But i guess opinions will vary wildly on this subject.
    
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I am/was a cheater (Or hacker as I have personally MADE hacks for games and got famous in the specific game for doing so (Audition - Nexon), whatever it is you want to call it)

I now play many games on a COMPETITIVE level and do not cheat. I am as respectful and helpful in game communities as they come, I never trash talk, I always respect my opponents, I always attempt to keep my teams morale high and never give up. I was an admin for the #1 CS:S Zombie server for over a year back when CS:S was at it's most popular state, banning hackers of all kinds and making the game an enjoyable experience for all, became the most popular admin on the server until the owner change and the server with the community went to ****.

I have written countless guides/tips to help new players, I am a big person on going to forums and helping people that need help, giving viable feedback to developers in beta, trying to make the games I play in better in all ways. I am a clan leader where the priorities are about respect and helpfulness above all else and have been running this clan for over a year now, Gained the respect of countless of people that know me and have made what feels to me a second family in that "clan".

I go above and beyond to help ANY community I join (Including OCN)..... And I have hacked/cheated before. I regret nothing, it made me the person I am today and I am proud of it smile.gif I do not do it anymore, but I did when I was from the years of 11-17. I learned a lot from constant wallhacking (And in other instances, hacking in all kinds of different ways for weird games) and "semi-aimbotting"

I am probably the only person I know that can actually tell a cheater from a really good player for one due to my experience. I know how hackers act, how they move, how they aim, how they think and reply and so much more that a person who has never hacked wouldn't even think about. A lot of the things legit players think that a hacker does is absolutely wrong.
I am also what I consider to be a really good player (skill-wise) in pretty much any game I pick up. A big part of that is because I got better when wallhacking, as much as people think wallhacks ruin a player's skill, it actually does the opposite. It motivated me to get past that "not good enough to be good and not bad enough to play with noobs and learn" point and time. I was always good at hiding it so I never got caught (Unless by anti-cheats) and thus no one ever got hurt from it, and by that I mean everyone thought I was always legit and everyone had fun.
Hacking also taught me how to code (VB6) and showed me something I really enjoyed doing smile.gif

At the end of the day:
I play games smarter from learning people's movement (Due to wallhacking in prior games).
I was motivated to get better because wallhacking allowed me to experience what it was like to be "pro".
I became an admin on 3 very popular servers due to the respect I gained and my ability to distinguish hackers from legit players (ZombieNetwork III, 2 CS:S Setti servers).
I am able to keep my clan hacker-free.
I was able to find a career I enjoy.
I teach many new players, ranging from real life friends to online players about how to get better at games, common tactics, positioning and many other things I personally had to learn by myself.
I am also a person who loves to help players and developers and feel like I contribute something to community's very few people do. (Which has nothing to do with hacking/cheating, but hackers could be good people too smile.gif)
And probably more..

All due to hacking.

Again, I dont hack anymore. I am a very big "Anti-Hacker" when it comes to catching them and making sure they are exposed smile.gif But I also understand people hack for many different reasons, and just because you hacked in one game doesn't mean you can't stop and start playing legit or become a quality player of the community.

It's one mistake, you shouldn't have your games removed, you shouldn't be banned from all multiplayer games in the world, you shouldn't be treated like some scumbag because you hacked a VIDEO GAME! I always laugh at people who make fun of hackers as "big fat dude's living in their moms basement with no friends" or people who 'suck at the game too much so they resort to hacking". I was a very good player without my hacks, I was a better player with them.

My point is this:
People make mistakes all the time, it happens. Hacking is another mistake. People do deserve a second chance and in my most used example: Many "Professional Gamers" that get paid to play in CS:GO right now have a history of using hacks prior.

If all those players got banned from the game forever... CS:Go E-Sports wouldn't be half as interesting as it is right now.

Hacking will continue to happen and people deserve to continue to get those second chances.
I am currently VAC-Banned on my Steam account from CoD: MW 2 and CoD: BO + A closed beta account in Combat Arms that was rank #437 out of over 1,000,000 players, banned.
I don't lie when people ask me why I am VAC-Banned nor did I ever lie about my Combat Arms account. That is never leaving my accounts and I will forever be reminded that I made a mistake, Luckily that's as much as my mistake will ever cost me and as much as it ever should.

You do realize how that sounds dont you? Same thing as pro sports players using steroids. Or like someone saying they got a job because they faked that they had a college degree. I know those are extreme examples but its still the same thing.
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You do realize how that sounds dont you? Same thing as pro sports players using steroids. Or like someone saying they got a job because they faked that they had a college degree. I know those are extreme examples but its still the same thing.

A Pro sports player gets PAID.... to do a JOB.... with certain rules.

A gamer is the one that PAYS to play a game.... for FUN... within certain rules.
They are nowhere near the same thing. If it was something as important as a job, I personally wouldn't have hacked.

But, going along with your examples:
One lose his job and get criticized
One gets his account banned and gets criticized smile.gif

What people like to suggest is the same as saying "Oh so that person used steroids? We should ban him from ever play any sport again! Ever!"
What actually happens in real life "Pro player used steroids? Ban him for x months to x years then he can come back" The only time this was recently different was for Lance Armstrong and that was due to how the rules in that organization worked.

Either way, the person who used steroids can continue playing sports, maybe not that same exact sport... but he can play others until he breaks the rules in those sports.
So if a hacker gets banned in CS... He will be banned from CS. But he will be allowed just as the steroid guy to play other games until he gets caught breaking the rules there, if he ever will.

End of the day.... even people in professional sports who used steroids get second chances. So why Shouldn't someone who was young (Or whatever reason it was) and hacked at a video game?

As far as degrees go.. you realize there is a certification in hacking correct?
How would you expect for someone to get interested in said hacking certification (Ethical hacker) without hacking something and breaking some sort of rules?
Edited by Bboy500 - 6/19/13 at 2:29pm
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With Steam I can play offline just fine, In fact I have done so on many occasions when I had no internet.

This is a feature that won't be going away on Steam or the PC in general.

There are the occasional games that require the cloud for save and settings data.
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