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Hey,


I need to finally upgrade my rig down there, I got everything new and built it in 2009 do I need to replace the PSU or anything or is it still good?

Anyway I have 600$ right now to spend, I would like to get the most performance out of this as I can. I'm still leaning towards amd, is there any new cpus coming from them soon or anything like that?


The current problems I have with my rig is it's getting around 90% CPU usage in some of my apps, causing lagging. Same with ram usage, and I have massive load times on huge librarys of stuff for my programs so I probably need to get some SSDs as well.

Another problem is with games, I can't run the games with abunch of people on screen like GW2 WvW my cpu gets throttled down to 20fps no matter what GFX card I used so I was wondering if current amd cpus can handle stuff like that? Since alot of upcoming mmos are going to have big battles I want to be sure I don't get this issue again. and be able to handle games for along time after I get it.

So I'm throwing down some quick prices here

199$ cpu
90$ or 135$ mobo
199$ ssd
130$ one big hd
100$ 16gb ram

a little over budget but seems pretty good

also I have a noctua NH12 cpu heatsink mounted on my current am3, does mounts from am3 work on am3+ as well? and how long is am3+ for i.e. how long will I be able to update to new cpus if needed and fit them in it?
Edited by MiyaDV - 6/12/13 at 11:45pm
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My opinion? Save up another $100 and get these parts, available on newegg.

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MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti N660TI PE 2GD5/OC Video Card
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$309.99



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NVIDIA Coupon Metro: Last Light
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$49.99



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MSI Coupon
Item #:N82E16800995148
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$39.99



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G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
Item #:N82E16820231416
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$65.99



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GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #:N82E16813128514
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$149.99
$137.99



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AMD FX-8150 3.6GHz Socket AM3+ Eight-Core Desktop Processor
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$179.99



Grand Total: $693.96


From what I can tell by the limited description of your rig, your weakest point right now is your video card. I had a gtx260 overclocked in my current rig. I went from that to a GTX 660 TI FTW and was absolutely FLOORED by the resultes. I am running Skyrim with the Ultra high res texture pack, all settings on full at 1920x1080 and frames are smooth as glass most of the time. Sure, when there is a lot of fog covering a HUGE open expanse, frames drop a little. I just played Metro Last Light on full settings. Frames were awesome.

If you're in the market to upgrade, might as well do it right. This setup uses the latest 990FX chipset, and if you're looking to get the most time out of your build before you end up upgrading again, this will put you ahead.

If you dont have the money to buy all of this at once, then simply start with the video card. You wont be dissapointed. The SSD would be nice, but only for load times. It's not going to help in the big open battles you're talking about.

You said that no matter what video card you use, you get throttled to 20fps. There must be something wrong for that to happen. Drivers, settings. Reviews on that board are good and it isnt that old. I would make sure all of your drivers for all of your hardware are up to date as well as Windows.

Assuming your power supply is a Corsair XT, it will be fine for the new rig.

Good luck!
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She doesn't need a better graphics card. Sure one might be nice, but that's not the priority. Clearly the issue is CPU power.

First off: the noctua heatsink. If you kept the mounts it came with, you should be fine for any possible upgrade (the 1156 bracket should fit intel systems, I think the AMD bracket is the same too). If you run into problems, just contact noctua. They offer lifetime support for most of their heatsinks, including free mounts that fit new sockets.

For SSD, your best options are the 250gb version of the Samsung 840 or the 256gb version of the Plextor M5S. I'd go with the Plextor personally, but they're basically the same thing. $177 or $179.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=75232&vpn=PX%2D256M5S&manufacture=PLEXTOR&promoid=1283
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147189

For HDD, well, I don't really know how much space you need. Here's a good 3TB 7200rpm drive for $120 (presuming you want faster rather than slightly quieter & slower, like a 3tb wd green):
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66009&vpn=ST3000DM001&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1283

RAM. 16gb is generally pretty overkill. But it sounds like you're doing some professional work that might benefit from more than 8gb. I'll trust you to know what you're doing there. Unfortunately, RAM is still looking expensive. I did find a 2x8gb 1333mhz kit for $97 (not counting a $15 rebate). For faster RAM, there's a 2x8gb 1866mhz kit for $113 after promo code on newegg.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=72019&vpn=CMX16GX3M2A1333C9&manufacture=Corsair&promoid=1283
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231560

Note that shipping is only free at us.ncix.com on orders over $100.

For CPU, you basically need to decide if you want to go with the cheaper AMD option, or one of the (not insignificantly) better Intel option. I'm not sure exactly what programs you need help on, aside from the games. This review (which includes benchmarks for overclocked processors) might help if you find something analogous to what you're doing:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/12/intel-core-i5-4670k-haswell-cpu-review/3

Unfortunately, to my knowledge your Mobo doesn't support the latest AMD processors. So if you went with an overclocked fx-8320 + decent 970 mobo, you'd be looking at about $272 total (a little under budget):
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=76933&vpn=FD8320FRHKBOX&manufacture=AMD&promoid=1283
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/12/intel-core-i5-4670k-haswell-cpu-review/3

If you upgraded to Intel, a good i5-4670k setup will cost about $365 ($230 for the processor, $145 for a mid-high end motherboard, a little over budget)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=84040&vpn=GA%2DZ87X%2DD3H&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1283

You could also consider an i5-3560k + z77 mobo for about $330 ($210 for the processor, $110 for a decent overclocking motherboard - about what your budget expects) if you wanted easier overclocking, cheaper, but still better than the AMD performance. Again, look at the benchmarks in the review above to help determine which chip is worth the $ for you.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138352

For gaming and most professional applications, the Intel setups will be definitively better than the AMD setup. However, $$.
    
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She doesn't need a better graphics card. Sure one might be nice, but that's not the priority. Clearly the issue is CPU power..

I must disagree with you. I have a very similar setup (965 BE, same speed ram) and had a gtx260. I even had it over clocked on a waterblock. The change in performance from the 260 to the 660 ti ftw was phenominal to say the least. My current setup plays skyrim at full settings WITH THE ultra high res texture pack avg 40fps.
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what i would do...

amd 6350
gigabyte 990fx-ud3 or 970
amd 7870 or 7850

do what you want with the left over money. you can buy more ram or an ssd up the road.
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I must disagree with you. I have a very similar setup (965 BE, same speed ram) and had a gtx260. I even had it over clocked on a waterblock. The change in performance from the 260 to the 660 ti ftw was phenominal to say the least. My current setup plays skyrim at full settings WITH THE ultra high res texture pack avg 40fps.
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The current problems I have with my rig is it's getting around 90% CPU usage in some of my apps, causing lagging. Same with ram usage, and I have massive load times on huge librarys of stuff for my programs so I probably need to get some SSDs as well.

Another problem is with games, I can't run the games with abunch of people on screen like GW2 WvW my cpu gets throttled down to 20fps no matter what GFX card I used

Her main issue isn't with gaming at all, and GW2 is a known CPU-limited game. Your experience doesn't apply because you don't have the same goals. Yeah, if she had infinite money, a better graphics card would be great. But budget IS an issue.
    
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used sandy bridge CPU and motherboard, and a 7870 will be huge upgrade and well within your budget.
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