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I will say this.. Am I baised, well yes. I own one, and know what it is capable of. Does it have it's shortcomings, yes, it isn't running like an Intel, or even an 6350, but it is one module and two cores down. As for the L2 cache, no information here has been misconstrued as for how it operates. Deep down, it is shared cache, but technically, it is 4MB total, and to simplify, it is a "4 core" with "4MB of L2 cache". There is no need to overkill any explainations. I am not trolling, and I agree, there is alot of misinformation out there about these chips, just nothing worth fighting over honestly.

As for the comment about worrying if a titan or a 7970 will bottleneck on this chip, look at the 750K vs 965 PII. They are neck and neck in evey task save gaming where the lack of L3 cache takes it's toll. Does the PII bottleneck a high end GPU, yes, but not noticably. Does the GPU need L3 cache to run. No, it has it's own ram for it's own functions and runs outside of parameters of the system memory architecture, at least until HSA arrives.

If you are on the fence and want it to work like a 6350, 83XX, i5 or i7, don't bother. It is a powerhouse for what it is, a uber cheapo CPU that can do 4.5-5+ Ghz. I have a system that spanks what it replaced, and at a fraction of what one of the above systems costs. Also, I have everything those above systems have, cooling on VRM's, loads of SATA 3 ports, 2 PCIe x16 slots, a butt load of PCIe x4 and x1 slots, 6+2 power phase, a bunch of system fan pins, USB 2 and 3.0. It works well for what I need, as I am no bench queen, I only game, do homework, process loads of papers for work at home when I have a case, so I went cheap and gambled, as I was the first to officially try out one of these on this forum, and I won big in the $/performance market and I do tout that point. Everyone that has bought one has been pleasantly surprised when they popped it in.

BTW, I believe that as of now, it was a waste to go APU route as they scale poorly with DGM compared to a CPU, and HSA isn't around yet. Also, I couldn't get an APU for the price of this, and you can't truely shut down the power to the iGPU in an APU, so that was extra heat to contend with. I am running at a solid 4.5 full time with a temp of 52 celcius. This CPU is overlooked mostly because of misinformation, and the fact that 99% of the market for FM2 is currently APU, and people don't see this chip as a contender to the FX 4350 and 4300, which it is. It also came to the scene quietly because I am sure that AMD doesn't want it to steal the spotlight from the 43XX chip, or the APU's. They are a business, and I don't blame them for making this chip a quiet slip-in.
Edited by agrims - 7/24/13 at 11:32pm
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I don't think you can overkill an explanation. The majority of people compare CPUs by their personal believes or whatever they read the most about it on forums, some actually compare values like TDP, Clock rate, Caches, benchmark results etc. but only the technical versed can actually take the most information into account, which architecture is a big part of it. They are quite rare and propably don't hang around here. For which I can't blame anyone, the level of competence is sometimes frightening low. Still people give out Information that they haven't fully researched as facts.

Now about bottlenecking, there really is no magic formula since it depens on resolution, graphic settings and the game itself. But obviously high end graphics card will be bottlenecked with games that have a high CPU demand. To say "not noticeably" is beside the point. You're right, you won't notice that youre GPU is working at 50% as long as the FPS output is over 40 but then again what's the point of having a graphics card that only runs at 50%. It just implies you wasted a lot of money for no advantage.

I've never said anything about comparing this CPU with a fx-6300 or any i5 or i7 for that matter, maybe you speak generally. If you would do that then you haven't understood much since it's comparing to different price classes with one another. The argument there is based on the socket, with an AM3+ or an LGA1055 you will have to option to upgrade to a stronger CPU whereas with FM2 you're already maxed out as of right now.

APU has it's strength in HTPC and the small form factor area since you don't need a dedicated GPU while still having a decent iGPU. So i wouldn't say its a waste, maybe if you want to use it solely for gaming then i'd agree.
I do like the marketing point of view youre implying.
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...there is alot of misinformation out there about these chips, just nothing worth fighting over honestly.

It's not about fighting, it's about comparing experiences and facts about the CPU and having a discussion over its strength and weaknesses. The whole fighting mindset is a sad reality with Intel vs AMD as the prime example.
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I am sorry if I came off as combative. Was actually trying to do the opposite. I was speaking of the APU as a waste for me, and trying to show why I went the way I did. And your right about the CPU intensive games. I play Arma 2, a terrible CPU intensive game and get 45-50FPS on it with my setup on ultra at 1080p. It brings i5 and 8 cores to their knees as they get roughly the same fps as mine.
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That's pretty impressive. I still have to wait for the CPU to become more available in central Eruope, currently only available in the UK at a decent price.

I think I'll give the 760K a try, but I have to wait anyway so I can read some more which isn't bad either.
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I have one of these ordered, should arrive at some point.

Want to see if they can crack 8ghz under LN2 like the 6800Ks
 
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I have one of these ordered, should arrive at some point.

Want to see if they can crack 8ghz under LN2 like the 6800Ks

Nice! It should be doable considerung the 6800K current record is 8.2Ghz. Best of luck to you!

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Sweet 8 pound 6 ounce blond baby jesus! If only we could sustain the cooling effects of LN2 without condensation, or at least mitigate it away from the sensitive parts of the computer..
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AMD has incredibly high latencies in the L2 & L3 cache anyway, better to not have it.


L3 does take a toll on latency, but the Athlons with no L3 do VERY well when configured properly. thumb.gif
http://www.maxxpi.net/pages/result-browser/top75---memory-latency.php
http://www.maxxpi.net/results/show.php?ID=x7p7c1g4g3g7

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