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Hi, haven't posted here in a looooonnnnnnnnnnngggggg rime, but anyways, I'm getting a new system soon, and have been drawn into the world of SFF (Small Form Factor for those who suck at abbrev. ). I'm planning on getting the Antec NSK1300 (NOT the NSK3300), nothing else (so don't try to tell me that it'll be hard to fit everything in it). The basic specs include:

-Intel Core 2 Duo E6300
-Corsair Dominator ram
-xFx 7600GT XXX
-Asus P5B-VM
-2X (?) WD 250GB SATA SE16
-Asus DVD DL Burner
-Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music
-Antec NSK1300 (with included 300W PSU)
-Yate Loon 120mm LOW speed fan (to replace crappy PSU fan)
-120mm Silcone gasket
-soft fan mounts (pack of four)
-Thermalright HR-03 (in reverse, wrap-around config)

Originally, I was thinking of using positive pressure to cool the case and PU, but the lack of suitable CPU coolers made me rethink and decide on WC. I sill plan to use + pressure, but it'll be the WB that's cooling the CPU. I've asked around and found that the HW Labs Black Ice Pro II will fit (25mm thick), but some sites say that it's a horrible rad. Can anyone confirm this? Anyways, here are the WC parts:

-Laing DDC w/ Petra's DDCT-01 Top Combo
-2X Yate Loon 120mm LOW speed fans
-dual 120mm Radgrill (stripes)
-2X ALU mesh filters
-4X 120mm silicone gaskets
-HW Labs Black Ice Stealth 240
-Swiftech Apogee
-Swiftech MCRES-1000 Micro res
-Tygon tubing (1/2")
-Zerex coolant
-Alphacool green UV dye
-DD High flow fittings (for rad)


Opinions?

PS: try to keep it as QUIET as possible.

Brendan

EDIT: BTW, I also plan to paint everything black (inside nd outside), and replace the standard power button with one of those nifty blue vandal reisitant switches, and replace the top mesh with some modder'smesh, and add two 4" blue (or UV...) cold cathodes to complete my blue-black theme
Opinions?

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That looks like a decent rig...The BIP isn't that great but with just a CPU on in the loop it would probably be fine...You would need decent cfm through them though, 40-60 would be OK...If you can squeeze this in it would be much better, it's 133-W x 277 -H x 54mmW...Danger Den :: Radiators :: Black Ice Series :: GTS Stealth Radiator :: Stealth GTS 240 Black Ice


You might want to go with 7/16 Masterkleer tubing...You use it with 1/2" fittings...It flows about as well and is a lot easier to route around in your case.....Danger Den :: Tubing :: Tubing and Clamps :: 7/16" ID (5/8" OD) Masterkleer General Purpose Clear PVC Tubing
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The Black Ice Pro used to be one of the best radiators. Don't know where everyone gets that it's a horrible rad. because I remember a few sites where it received high marks (and I did extensive research before buying mine). The Stealth models are better.
As for everything else, it looks okay. Only thing is the tubing, since you are going for a SFF. 1/2" may be too big and a pain to work with. Get 7/16" tubing like mentioned above. A 3/8" setup can perform just as well.
I have a very similar setup (plus a GPU block) and it performs really well.
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...-HW Labs Black Ice Stealth 240...
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That looks like a decent rig...The BIP isn't that great but with just a CPU on in the loop it would probably be fine...You would need decent cfm through them though, 40-60 would be OK...If you can squeeze this in it would be much better, it's 133-W x 277 -H x 54mmW...Danger Den :: Radiators :: Black Ice Series :: GTS Stealth Radiator :: Stealth GTS 240 Black Ice
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The Black Ice Pro used to be one of the best radiators. Don't know where everyone gets that it's a horrible rad. because I remember a few sites where it received high marks (and I did extensive research before buying mine). The Stealth models are better.
As for everything else, it looks okay. Only thing is the tubing, since you are going for a SFF. 1/2" may be too big and a pain to work with. Get 7/16" tubing like mentioned above. A 3/8" setup can perform just as well.
I have a very similar setup (plus a GPU block) and it performs really well.
I may consider changing it to 3/8". How much will the performance decrease? Also, I'm considering the change to the low-profile Apogee with the 90 degree barbs. How will it perform when compared to the straight barbed Apogee (flow issues?)?

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Yeah I noticed that to...But in your text you said BIP......If you can get it to fit go with the 7/16 x 5/8 Masterkleer, it will have a lot more flow....I've not seen a test comparing the 2 Apogee's....Going from the 7/16 with 1/2" fittings to 3/8" would be a big drop in flow....If Graystar were around he could give you more exact details about it....I just know that it is...
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Yeah I noticed that to...But in your text you said BIP......If you can get it to fit go with the 7/16 x 5/8 Masterkleer, it will have a lot more flow....I've not seen a test comparing the 2 Apogee's....
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I just finished redoing my loop with 1/2" tubing (coming from 3/8") and temps. on both CPU and GPU dropped an average of 3*C. Everything else is the same except for fittings and the pump (it was a MAG-II before). Up to you if you consider this kind of difference worth it.
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Everything else is the same except for fittings and the pump (it was a MAG-II before).
The fittings and pump will make far more difference than the tubing size.

Also, when people redo their loops they tend to clean out the dust from the radiator, which probably has the largest impact of all.
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The fittings and pump will make far more difference than the tubing size.

Also, when people redo their loops they tend to clean out the dust from the radiator, which probably has the largest impact of all.

That is why I don't consider the hassle of moving to 1/2" was worth it in my situation. My case is big, but my 1/2" loop is still a tight fit. I even had to remove the side fans which led to a 5*C increase on the MB temp. A well planned out 3/8" setup can be just as efficient as an average 1/2" system.
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