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Getting around to setting up the storage components on the next rig and have a few questions. I'm definitely getting an SSD for the OS/Boot drive, got an eye on the Mushkin Chronos, seems like it's one of the fastest out there and small/decent cost to boot. For program storage and data, i'd intended on getting some HDD's from the WD Black series. Now, I generally don't store Tons of stuff. I don't keep crap I don't need around and clean house somewhat regularly. On my current system, my program/os drive takes up about 250-300gb of Data, and the movie/photo/backup/game mods storage drive sits at around 600gb. I know that as a HDD fills up, speed drop, so I don't intend on filling the new HHD's much past the 50% mark.
I'm also planning on using FancyCache if I can, and have entertained the thought of using a ramdisk(going to be getting at least 16gb of RAM so plenty to spare) if it will benefit me to stick temp files and the like on there, though i've heard that doing so can cause problems with some applications.

So, first, any other recommendations for the OS Drive besides the Chronos?
Looking for the smallest, fastest ssd that just the OS and say Firefox and such can fit on at a decent price; the Chronos seems to fit the bill, but maybe you folks know of one better.

Does RAID0 still give a write perf. boost if you are using FancyCache, considering the massively increased write speed and such?
I'd originally intended to nab 2 500gb WD Blacks and sticking them in Raid0 for games and other programs, then grab a 2-3TB storage drive for the RAID0 backup and media/mods. If no, i'd though of maybe Raid1'ing two drives instead, keeping the read speed boost and adding just a tad more data security over the full normal backups, if write speed is the same with Fancycache.

If you are using FancyCache already, does using a RAMDISK offer anything in performance when used to house any and all temporary files? Is there even a point to using one?

Can putting the Temp folders and the like on a RAMDISK cause problems with any programs? If there is a point to making a ramdisk, i'm not going to be using the data saving feature due to the time needed to save/load it later.

Also, while i've selected the WD Blacks as they Seem to be one of the fastest, most popular hdds going by newegg, if anyone has any better suggestions for those too, i'm all ears.
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I tend to overdo my storage subsystem, but here's what I would do:
- 128-256GB Samsung 840Pro or Plextor M5P Xtreme (the 128GB version of the latter is $99 @ Newegg and comes with a free game; best SSD deal at the moment)
- 1x WD Blue 1TB WD10EZEX for Programs and Games
- 1x WD10EZEX for everything else

The new WD10EZEX Blue is faster than the black in every metric except for access times which are only 1-2ms behind. Sequential RW is around 200MBs at the outside of the platter. Blacks top out around 115-130. I run most games from a WD10EZEX and never noticed more than a 1-2sec increase overhhaving them on my 830 256GB.

Total price is $99 + 2x$65. Great deal for extremely fast storage!
   
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Originally Posted by nleksan View Post

I tend to overdo my storage subsystem, but here's what I would do:
- 128-256GB Samsung 840Pro or Plextor M5P Xtreme (the 128GB version of the latter is $99 @ Newegg and comes with a free game; best SSD deal at the moment)
- 1x WD Blue 1TB WD10EZEX for Programs and Games
- 1x WD10EZEX for everything else

The new WD10EZEX Blue is faster than the black in every metric except for access times which are only 1-2ms behind. Sequential RW is around 200MBs at the outside of the platter. Blacks top out around 115-130. I run most games from a WD10EZEX and never noticed more than a 1-2sec increase overhhaving them on my 830 256GB.

Total price is $99 + 2x$65. Great deal for extremely fast storage!
Those Blues do look nice, and according to the spec sheets, that particular one is as fast as anything in their black line(the 3-4TB blacks transfer @ 154GB/s, the blue's @ 150GB/s). Only difference I can see is the black's platters are secured better, and supposedly the caching is faster, dynamic and with 2 processors. Only a 2 year warranty though. Hmm. The 128gb Plextor is sold out currently, as well. Looking at the others. So how do Seagates compare to WD? I've got two barracudas in my current setup, they havent done me wrong in over 5 years, i've heard good things 'bout both manufacturers, though.

The Seagate Barracudas look rather competitive. The 1 and 2 TB versions sport averages of 156mb/s maxing out at 210mb/s, and are priced $74-99 respectively. Their product pages also brag about lots of technical features, but i'm skeptical of it being just techno-mumbo-jumbo meant to wow people into buying them over less verbose and braggy competitors.

As far as SSD's, how about the 128GB OCZ Vertex 4? Supposedly its one of the fastest, toughest, and best performers when significantly filled with data.
Edited by Garzhad - 6/15/13 at 2:00pm
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The WD10EZEX Blue actually average around 150-160 and max out around 200, whereas Blacks max at around 135-150. The Seagateddrives, assumingthe newer single pplatter versions, are very fast, really only them and the WD10EZEX are at the front of the pack. By quite a bit, too.
   
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The WD10EZEX Blue actually average around 150-160 and max out around 200, whereas Blacks max at around 135-150. The Seagateddrives, assumingthe newer single pplatter versions, are very fast, really only them and the WD10EZEX are at the front of the pack. By quite a bit, too.

Yeah, from the results i'm seeing, the Seagate ST1000DM003 appears to be faster in just about every metric. And if newegg is anything to go by, the failure rate of them and blues is identical. I can nab either one of them with a 1-year extended warranty for the same price, so i'm leaning more towards the barracuda. I've had two older ones in my system working flawlessly 5 years later, Seagate's been good to me so far.

I'm more concerned with all the allegations of *****ty packaging on Newegg's part potential killing the HDD's they send out, honestly.
Edited by Garzhad - 6/16/13 at 8:26am
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Newegg packaging is incredibly bad, this is true. But when I ordered my Blues from them, I was stunned. The packagingwas aactually great!
   
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