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post #21 of 27
I would recommend the corsair AX1200i... as for single rail vs multi rail... there is a lot of reading involved in answering that question and you should probably do the reading yourself on that one.

As for the dual loop

I didn't want to be so frank about it because I worried people would argue about it...

But NO don't do a dual loop... they are just trying to get you to spend more money or they don't actually know what they are talking about (probably a little bit of both). Don't get me wrong though they could definitely know what they are doing (as in how to properly put it together without it falling apart) without knowing what they are talking about.

Anyways... a single D5 would run that entire loop but with a loop that big and that much money in the build (2) D5s is a no brainer.

Perturbate... have not heard that word in 15 years...

The pumps will "perturbate" the water because they are pumps... I don't know of a pump that exists that wouldn't. That being said a properly designed reservoir or any extremely huge reservoir will make that effect completely unimportant. That affect is more problematic when the water flows into any area that has air... for example a reservoir and therefore if the res is too small and/or poorly designed it can become a problem because it will mix tiny little bubbles into the water. But I think that just has to do with flow period when the flow hits the water in a poor way (poor design I mean).

IMO 2 pumps has nothing to do with that issue.


Again with the 2 loops... unless you have a very specific reason for having 2 loops I really think that having 2 loops would not only be a waste of money but more importantly it would be a waste of the combined cooling potential of all 4 radiators.
Edited by givmedew - 6/15/13 at 10:44pm
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post #22 of 27
General rule of thumb, 240mm base surface area for the CPU, and then add another 120mm for each component. Keep in mind as well, that the higher the radiator temps go as the liquid heats up, the higher the heat transfer will be. Many people (like me rolleyes.gif ) like to go overkill on rads, I had almost 650mm of rad space in my last build (640mm to be exact). Ummm yay for thermodynamics?

So if you look at the components you have there, I'm gonna recommend that you get at least a large (45 or 60mm thick), 480mm radiator, and maybe a 240 at the top. Thicker radiators help with heat transfer, and the Titans don't really get that hot unless the GPU Boost 2.0 really kicks up the clocks. I do believe that you can control that by using software, so that shouldn't really be a problem.

EDIT: Concerning the dual pump situation, it's alright to make you feel secure and increase pressure rates, but it gets expensive quickly. As well, stick with a single loop- it can get really damn confusing if you have dual loops going everywhere with fittings, rads, and tubing/ pipes. A single D5 style pump will push that look just fine, most of the blocks a lot of people use (like EK) aren't as restrictive as people make them out to be.

When people choose to have a system built by someone else, I almost always say that it's better for YOU to build it. When you pay someone else or let them do it, they could not have as high of standards as you, cut corners, mis-install things or not double check them, but most of all- you gain no experience. None, zippity, nada. If I were in your (wealthier than my own) shoes right now, I'd look at the components you have, ask around the OCN community (or another) for advice on choosing components, and take the process of building it yourself very slowly, find tutorials and tips for disassembling parts (like graphics cards), and install them with your own hands. Even if you do take it slowly and post questions, don't be embarrassed- I took 2 months designing the loop of my last rig (Red Nuke), and I still made mistakes.

You save money (if you're paying them), gain experience, and the chance to say "You see that wicked damn computer there? Yeah, I built that with my own two hands." Then you brag to your friends with immature remarks biggrin.gifnananana boo boo, stick your head in doo-doo. my computer's faster!

It's just my 2cents.gif I will always say it's better to make the mistake yourself and learn, than have someone else make it and you be liable for something you never did! Besides that small book I just wrote, this rig sounds down right wicked nasty, I'd love to see pics.
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P.S- don't cut corners please, otherwise it won't turn out the way you envision it.
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I think should clarify exactly what they mean by perturbate your waters flux, it sounds like they are just throwing out big words because they just want to build a dual loop. In my opinion you don't need two rads for your CPU and chipset just one thick 480 like an Aplhacool ut60 in push pull or monster in a pull configuration. It will cost you extra unless they plan on using two smaller rads which just adds complexity and achieves the same result as one large 480.

What exactly do they mean by spring a little on the titans? Your builder sounds like a b$&?!$( artist that's trying to take advantage of your lack of knowledge. They just seem to want to add unnecessary complexity without providing legitimate reasons and using words like perturbate which really doesn't have much if anything to do with water cooling, I thinks you need to get your build plan straightened out before you commit to anything.
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I agree with bloodbath it sounds to me like they are trying to take advantage of you.. a dual loop would be fine with 2 pumps per loop just like a single loop would. but why have it be more complex than it needs to be.

and what the ???? do they mean by a multi rail PSU will spring a little on titans??? crazy lachen.gif

I also agree you need to know what you want and tell them. They are trying to take advantage of you and they say it will not cost more to do a double loop.. until you get the bill and oh I forgot this and this.. I don't know what country you are in but if you are in North america. You should look at a case labs case...

Oh well thats my two cents worth.. good luck!!!!!
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Sorted the rail thing, should've probably tried and find out by myself before asking here sorry about that. Turns out theres a common missleading regarding single string psu as better for sli (based on some **** up made multi strings manufactors a while ago) whereas in fact these days it doesnt really make any difference

They first proposed single loop, then i asked for a dual loop based on jamewalts build, then they were like yea if you really want to but it wont be necessary, then I asked for single loop with 2 pumps for redondancy and they said it could perturbate water flux, in the end i'm the one that asked for dual loop in the first place so they're not really trying to rip me off (i like to think so at least).

Between people saying redundancy is unecessary and almost unheard off and those saying there is a slight risk of perturbating flux, and those saying it's just fine, I just dont know what to ask for.
Prince not being an issue, I just want the most cooling efficient stuff, if a single loop with dual pump is the best cooling i'll just go for it.

I fully agree i should build that on my own, I just lack time and i've got pretty severe attention disorder, there is just no way i'm taking that kind of chances. Doesnt stop me from learning watercooling I guess, but building it myself is just not an option.

(probably some atrocious english here, sorry about that)
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I'm in france, its kinda the best store that does this stuff, they can also provide me with a 5 years waranty, kinda got no choice as to where i'm buying this anyway : P

They didnt say it'd cost no more, they said they'd do it for free (as i'm already spending 8k5 euros on this thing i guess), and on the bill the radiator surface will be the same, so no worries here
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If you could ask them for a very detailed explanation of what they mean by "perturbate your waters flux" to me this translates to "agitate the flow of your water". I don't see the agitation the pump creates being important... and if they are literally saying that the 2 pumps will cause agitation as in little bubbles of air then I believe that is the wrong way to think. I know the definition of agitation isn't little bubbles of air in the water but I think that is what they are trying to tell you is going to happen. Mostly to me the only thing the impeller should be agitating is water and more water which just equals water!

Even if the pumps caused no agitation of any sort the flow of the water itself when it enters any area that contains air is what would cause agitation as in air being mixed into the water in tiny bubbles. Goofy, poorly designed, just for looks, small reservoirs will cause this to happen. Having an air pocket in a radiator will cause this to happen.

2 pumps will not increase it by themselves AFAIK unless you are speaking of 1 pump at 100% vs 2 pumps both at 100% where as the pumps should be adjusted (in speed) to be a flow rate and rpm that works well for the system and does not cause a lot of noise. As a single D5 is enough 2 D5s at 100% isn't necessary. I understand what they are trying to get at (at least I think I do) and I have seen this issue poke it's head up in youtube videos of crazy awesome builds that have too much pressure and flow flying into some crazy reservoir and then mixing the air into the water at that point... Not at the impellers since there shouldn't be any air there aside from the air that is already in the water from the reservoir or pockets of air in the radiators.

This is again an issue that speaks to why you should build it yourself... who is going to guarantee those radiators are properly bled? Because when you have that many and they are in different locations... it's not the easiest thing to achieve.

If you can hear air in the system (because it is very easy to hear it) then they had a design flaw... Although at first there is some air in the water and it can take a while to work its way out and hopefully in the reservoir and not in the top of a radiator.

Once air is in the water I can see the impeller in the pumps making the situation worse since now it will have air to agitate and therefore make those air bubbles into super tiny air bubbles which may make it harder for the air to get out of the water and build up in the reservoir but that is why I alternate very low speeds then very high speeds immediately after building a rig or flushing a rig. Slowing the pumps down to a speed that will not greatly agitate the air in the water will allow the air to leave and hopefully build up in the reservoir... I am usually extremely careful about filling my loops to minimize any need for this as if there is no air in the loop except the reservoir and the reservoir is properly designed then there should not be any problems with agitation at all.


Any specifics I am wrong about please anyone feel free to clean this up but I am pretty sure this is close to what they are trying to tell you is happening when they have it all backwards.
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Corsair Link Fan Controller Windows 8.1 Nixeus 2560x1440 Logitech G15 
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Kingwin PF-850 Ttesports Level10M Razer Vespula Sennheiser HD590 
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Intel i5-2500k gigabyte z68xp-ud4 Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming DDR3 1600 4x2GB 
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Western Digital Velociraptor 300GB w/ Intel RST... Corsair H100 Windows 8.1 1920x1200 HP 
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