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Well, I'm in Canada, and the sole reason I asked is because I'm not aware of ANY Retailer selling them that cheap. You can't claim that they do go down in price, when you're getting them at Trade prices. wink.gif

It's like people claiming 3930K's are cheap at $200! ( Through the Retail Edge program )

eBay.ca the cheapest new processors start at $971

Same story on eBay.com
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=3960x&_sop=15

If you read my post I was taking about buying used Ivybridge -E chips after Haswell -E launches. Not sure that warrants trolling tbh lol. I get trade prices but anyone can get good deals on the bay.
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Cool, would love to see the performance of extreme i7's with a couple extra cores. Only thing is, (and I'm not trying to start anything but...)

When people were saying the next gen consoles were 8 core, and that AMD was going to have a slight advantage because of that, everyone said that it didn't matter. Some people actually got pretty aggressive about it and did quite a bit of flaming. Not everyone, but quite a few. Now that Intel is getting more cores, people in here are saying that it's only logical that Intel goes to 8 cores for console ports... wth.gif

So....

EDIT: I am really not trying to start anything, it just baffles me.

And... DDR4? BRING ON THE SATA IV, and USB 4.0! I'm interested to see the amount and speed of a single, basic, DDR4 chip.

Yeah but the current x79 cpu's from the 3930k to the 3970x are all locked down 8 cores, this was coming anyway as people were demanding that the next enthusiast platform has 8 cores... it sounds pretty logical to me. I even think that the next IVY-E processors (if they are ever going to release) will have 8 cores too biggrin.gif well the Extreme Editions anyway
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Yeah but the current x79 cpu's from the 3930k to the 3970x are all locked down 8 cores, this was coming anyway as people were demanding that the next enthusiast platform has 8 cores... it sounds pretty logical to me. I even think that the next IVY-E processors (if they are ever going to release) will have 8 cores too biggrin.gif well the Extreme Editions anyway

There were some rumors about a 3980X sometime back last year and earlier this year about it being a 8 core version of SB-E. Then the 3970X came out and that pretty much killed that possibility. Unless a 3980X releases after IVB-E, we probably wont see a 8 core SB-E chip. There has been absolutely no indication of any IVB-E 8 core chip either. It's all 6 cores. That's not to say there wont be a 4980X that's 8 cores but this rumor about Haswell-E is the first rumor that seems pretty down to earth being a true 8 core chip and DDR4.
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all I want is a $600 six core and I will buy it simple as that intel.
    
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all I want is a $600 six core and I will buy it simple as that intel.

3930K?
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About the launch of these processors ... purely PR. It's an act of desperation. Market penetration can never be large on these SKUs.

The research part says enough. It is not sold retail in order to prevent expensive mistakes from happening. There's a difference between tweaking/overclocking and engineering. One is just a hobby, individual activity and generally stable/okay. The latter means testing on reliability and taking account for other intrinsic properties that may make the CPU or ecosystem fail.

The 220W TDP is a more of a big factor of uncertainty than you make it out to be. Which is somewhat comprehensible coming from a tweaker's perspective. VRMs are just DC - DC transformers. Naturally if power injection increases, strain on the VRMs increase. RAM modules/IMCs don't consume that much power and are balanced off on their own phases. The throttling I speak of is exclusively the consequence of high leakage of Hex SB-E processors.

As for multithreaded performance, Q6600 and E6600 both fail at this point in time. If you didn't need the extra 2 threads back then for rendering/parallel workloads you just spent more money than necessary (mind you, I had a Q9550). They're both obsolete now and not that far apart either. Sure the C2Q might be like 50% faster than a C2D, but it's still 150% of nearly nothing.

It might however be different for SB-E/IB-E/HSW-E vs the mainstream since technology is moving at a slower pace atm. So multi threading might become more important for these SKUs.

I agree with everything in this post. It makes me think, why is AMD bothering with this whole exercise? Unless, these are just super-well binned FX-8350's, in which case GET YOURSELF AN 8350 NOW, if you were all considering it; because in that case the best chips will disappear into the new SKU's. If they had to do any tweaking to make these new SKU's, then they'd just be throwing money away and not recouping costs on this absurd exercise.

And on the note of the Q6600, I was using one for a while; and the Phenom 2 965 I got kicked it in the teeth. This FX-8350 makes it look like a sad joke.

Also, why are people complaining about about a $1000 price for the Extreme series chips? If you want the top consumer Intel chips, you pay through the nose. This isn't new, it's been this way for years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors <
check the release price of the Q6600, it's under Kentsfield.
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I'm not buying it. I fully believe Intel released this news only to put a Carrot out there, only. /Jedi mind trick. And I don't expect any great % increase over the 3960/70 etc tops 6 to 9% depending on application (speculation of course). I say this only because of the reality Intel has given us recently from one generation to the next.

They know many are publicly stating Haswell is a big non impact! Sure it's progression for their IGP but I question if anyone was seriously awaiting this for laptops. Maybe laptop builders (ASUS, DELL, Samsung, Toshiba etc) Yawn. sleepysmileyanim.gif Who knows what the builders have been asking for?

The chance that Intel will release the hounds is something that they simply have not done lately, and many of us expect they will not do in the near future. (Sandy was an abberration imo) The Extreme processors are basically held back due to the Xeon (8 - 10 Core) Server market and have a Glass ceiling. It's one of Intels making, for sure. I won't mention AMD's contribution to this, we all know it. While Intel is starting to mention some additional Core's, they are dragging their Feet (was going to say another body part).

We keep hearing that so few software packages need multicore, (games etc) We'll it's hard to develop for something that doesn't exist broadly enough for the market you target.

I'll just upgrade to whatever's available when either I have a hardware failure, or when my CPU actually shows a degredation in any software. I think Broadwell will be here and gone well before I "Need" another CPU.

AMD where are you?
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I'm not buying it. I fully believe Intel released this news only to put a Carrot out there, only. /Jedi mind trick. And I don't expect any great % increase over the 3960/70 etc tops 6 to 9% depending on application (speculation of course). I say this only because of the reality Intel has given us recently from one generation to the next.

They know many are publicly stating Haswell is a big non impact! Sure it's progression for their IGP but I question if anyone was seriously awaiting this for laptops. Maybe laptop builders (ASUS, DELL, Samsung, Toshiba etc) Yawn. sleepysmileyanim.gif Who knows what the builders have been asking for?

The chance that Intel will release the hounds is something that they simply have not done lately, and many of us expect they will not do in the near future. (Sandy was an abberration imo) The Extreme processors are basically held back due to the Xeon (8 - 10 Core) Server market and have a Glass ceiling. It's one of Intels making, for sure. I won't mention AMD's contribution to this, we all know it. While Intel is starting to mention some additional Core's, they are dragging their Feet (was going to say another body part).

We keep hearing that so few software packages need multicore, (games etc) We'll it's hard to develop for something that doesn't exist broadly enough for the market you target.

I'll just upgrade to whatever's available when either I have a hardware failure, or when my CPU actually shows a degredation in any software. I think Broadwell will be here and gone well before I "Need" another CPU.

AMD where are you?

Agreed, Intel is wishing and wanting to create positive anticipation, absolutely, but it’s also an early move to regain the good graces of the enthusiast fan base. They could have waited 6months to release this, why now? Damage control plain and simple, so much bad news has released these last few months for overclockers and enthusiasts, Intel wants their brand to revise those joy joy feelings.

Just glance at the wording of those slides, they want us to know, we are not forgotten.

Placing this news in transport forward will make the summary bulletin on thermal paste under the Ivy-E IHS a little easier to swallow. Sorry, that sounded rather obtuse and I was after all, trying to be more uplifting, then reality tapped me on the shoulder. biggrin.gif
    
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Placing this news in transport forward will make the summary bulletin on thermal paste under the Ivy-E IHS a little easier to swallow. Sorry, that sounded rather obtuse and I was after all, trying to be more uplifting, then reality tapped me on the shoulder. biggrin.gif

you beat me to the punch but I was just thinking something similar. What if this was leaked to preempt an expected dismal IB-E launch?

My hope last night was that all the stories about late batch Ivy's OC'ing like monsters would be a good omen for IB-E but then the pessimist in me kicked in. Between the potential for cheap thermal paste being used, more cores and thus more heat. This makes me think that IB-E might have even less OC headroom than IB. Making delidding mandatory for even mid range overclocks. An 8 core haswell-e might just the distraction Intel is looking for. Combine that with how disappointing haswell has been compared to the low bar set by ivy and intel really needs something to differentiate IB-E from haswell-e.

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3930K?
oh thanks i'll have a look at that. damn motherboards aren't cheap for 2011 sockets oh well.
    
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