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At least he didn't claim that you can't see a difference over 40 fps like SkyMTL from hardware canucks did. I always laugh those comments off.
What's annoying is that if they said they don't see a difference, that's fine. It's just that they then assume everyone else is exactly the same confused.gif
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Hmm, have you guys checked reviews for 780 SLI? I don't understand the scaling at all. In most games, two 780s might get 5-10 fps over one. I honestly cannot believe that. I thought it was just an error with a review but I read through three straight reviews and they only time they scaled at all was in 1920x1200 and 2560x1440. At 5760x1080 and 1080P, they don't scale or really benefit at all. I really don't think that's a good buy for me. lol

The 770s scale great w/ two cards. However, once you get to three cards, the same problem is encountered that happened with the 780s. The only difference is they do scale for 5760x1440 with three cards, just not that well. From one to two cards, it's almost always a 100% increase. From two to three, when they do scale, it's something like 30% extra. I am baffled. lol

My question now is, with this information in mind, should I just go straight for SLI 770 4GBs and add another whenever I get my other two monitors? I honestly don't know what to do at this point. lmao
Just read through the TPU review and there's not evidence of what you say: "It's with the triple-monitor 5760x1080 (3D Vision Surround), where the GTX 780 SLI really shines"

Guru3D noticed 55%, 60%, and 21% scaling in Far Cry 3, Medal of Honour, and Hitman Absolution respectively. Admittedly, those numbers aren't great, but they're still better than the 5-10FPS you mention, besides Hitman which I believe doesn't generally scale very well.

HEXUS seemed to get good scaling across the board at 2560x1600, though they didn't test 5760.

Overall, I'm mostly seeing numbers that I'd expect - not perfect, but pretty good. You're not going to see much scaling going from one 780 to two at 1080p because you might actually start to become CPU limited - that's a ton of GPU power for that many pixels, and more than you realistically need. At 2560x and 5760x1080, the results I've seen seem to be pretty good.

No card is going to scale well when going from two to three. Also, are you getting your resolutions muddled up? You said that they don't scale well at 1080p, but they do at 1200p. That's only a ~10% increase in pixel count. tongue.gif
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Well to be fair, if your goal is 120 fps with single GPU there is always possibility of tweaking few key sliders manually instead just pushing "everything ultra" - so what would be possibility would be getting the strongest GPU you can afford (be it then Titan, 780 or just 7970) and then pushing everything to max and lowering stuff that the lowest visual impact until you hit 120 fps. Say, start with AA - drop it down to x2 or x4 (even at 1080p the visual difference is practically negligible, but impact on performance is noticeable), Then kick motion blur in the nuts, unless you really like it, etc. At some point you get your 120 fps and at a glance you will not be able to tell if its the default "everything ultra" settings or there's some manual tweaks done on it.
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So where does vsync come into this?

You can have all the frames you like revving up your card and wear and tear biggrin.gif
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@ Ellis, Let me find the reviews I read. I promise you that a few of them showed almost no scaling with the 780s and then one review showed them scaling at 1920x1200 and 2560x1440 but lower than that and 5760x1080, there was barely a noticeable difference between one and two.

The 770 seemed to be a different story as it always scaled in SLI extremely well, but when in 3-Way SLI, the scaling was only significant at something like 5760x1080. Otherwise, 2 and 3 of them were just about equal.


@ Carniflex, If I found a great deal on a Titan, I would consider it. However, I wouldn't pay $1,000 for one and used ones seem to cost the same. :/ I'm still heavily considering SLI 770 4GBs and then upgrading to a third once I get three monitors but I'm not sure, yet.

The thing that impressed me BY FAR the most was the Overclockability of the 780. You can push the hell out of those things to where a single 780 was beating a stock Titan by 10-15% or more on a regular basis. However, I'm aware you can OC the Titan and change those results, of course. That is still impressive, though. The 770s will barely overclock at all.
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So where does vsync come into this?

You can have all the frames you like revving up your card and wear and tear biggrin.gif
Well, with a 120Hz monitor, Vsync is going to aim for 120FPS, which is what the OP is trying to achieve thumb.gif
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@ Ellis, Let me find the reviews I read. I promise you that a few of them showed almost no scaling with the 780s and then one review showed them scaling at 1920x1200 and 2560x1440 but lower than that and 5760x1080, there was barely a noticeable difference between one and two.

The 770 seemed to be a different story as it always scaled in SLI extremely well, but when in 3-Way SLI, the scaling was only significant at something like 5760x1080. Otherwise, 2 and 3 of them were just about equal.


@ Carniflex, If I found a great deal on a Titan, I would consider it. However, I wouldn't pay $1,000 for one and used ones seem to cost the same. :/ I'm still heavily considering SLI 770 4GBs and then upgrading to a third once I get three monitors but I'm not sure, yet.

The thing that impressed me BY FAR the most was the Overclockability of the 780. You can push the hell out of those things to where a single 780 was beating a stock Titan by 10-15% or more on a regular basis. However, I'm aware you can OC the Titan and change those results, of course. That is still impressive, though. The 770s will barely overclock at all.
I wasn't doubting that you'd seen those figures, just that they were realistic, since all the reviews I've read from sites that I tend to trust seemed to indicate much better scaling. That sounds very odd that they would be scaling worse at higher resolutions - that's where you start to get entirely limited by GPU power, so you should (and usually do) see better scaling.

EDIT: Oh, also, I imagine that you usually will see better scaling with lower tier cards, since you're going to be more limited by the single card by itself. A single 780 is obviously a capable solution to begin with, so that might be why you don't see as much scaling (and it's definitely why the scaling is usually quite bad at 1080p, where a single 780 is enough to max most games already).
Edited by Ellis - 6/17/13 at 4:27am
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Ellis, I am still trying my damnedest to find those. I swear I found them so easily earlier because I was researching my decision and was like "there's no way that 780s don't scale at 5760x1080...." I will find them, though, because I'd certainly appreciate some clarification on it.

I still can't find anything on the 770 4GBs. From most reviews I've seen, both the 780 and 770 do great solo. The 770 scales much better at lower resolution. Then, at 5760x1080 it's a much smaller increase from what two cards gave at 2560x1440, for example. I'm thinking that the VRAM limit is coming into play there. I'd love to see if the extra 2GB's makes a large difference or not.
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Ellis, I am still trying my damnedest to find those. I swear I found them so easily earlier because I was researching my decision and was like "there's no way that 780s don't scale at 5760x1080...." I will find them, though, because I'd certainly appreciate some clarification on it.

I still can't find anything on the 770 4GBs. From most reviews I've seen, both the 780 and 770 do great solo. The 770 scales much better at lower resolution. Then, at 5760x1080 it's a much smaller increase from what two cards gave at 2560x1440, for example. I'm thinking that the VRAM limit is coming into play there. I'd love to see if the extra 2GB's makes a large difference or not.

Extra 2 GB should not make any noticeable difference at 1080p unless nVidia cards use vRAM a lot differently than AMD ones.

1 GB of vRAM gets you by as far as approx 3x 1080p resolutions.
2 GB of vRAM gets you as far as 5x 1080p resolutions
3 GB is enough so I have not managed to run into vRAM limit yet, running stuff at 5400x1920 resolution (5x1 portrait eyefinity).

Well - so so - take these limits with grain of salt or as minimum required for these resolutions. Pushing AA, using high texture packs, etc all dig into vRAM so depending on your usage patterns I'm pretty sure you can, if you put your mind into it, go past 1 GB on just 1x 1080p as well. Nevertheless, 2 GB should be enough and then some for as far as 3x 1080p screens most of the time, will be some performance difference once you go past 3x 1080p, say, running 3x 1600p, for example.
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Ellis, I am still trying my damnedest to find those. I swear I found them so easily earlier because I was researching my decision and was like "there's no way that 780s don't scale at 5760x1080...." I will find them, though, because I'd certainly appreciate some clarification on it.

I still can't find anything on the 770 4GBs. From most reviews I've seen, both the 780 and 770 do great solo. The 770 scales much better at lower resolution. Then, at 5760x1080 it's a much smaller increase from what two cards gave at 2560x1440, for example. I'm thinking that the VRAM limit is coming into play there. I'd love to see if the extra 2GB's makes a large difference or not.
Yeah, I haven't seen anything on the 4GB 770s - either reviews and such, or even seen them for sale anywhere.
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Extra 2 GB should not make any noticeable difference at 1080p unless nVidia cards use vRAM a lot differently than AMD ones.

1 GB of vRAM gets you by as far as approx 3x 1080p resolutions.
2 GB of vRAM gets you as far as 5x 1080p resolutions
3 GB is enough so I have not managed to run into vRAM limit yet, running stuff at 5400x1920 resolution (5x1 portrait eyefinity).

Well - so so - take these limits with grain of salt or as minimum required for these resolutions. Pushing AA, using high texture packs, etc all dig into vRAM so depending on your usage patterns I'm pretty sure you can, if you put your mind into it, go past 1 GB on just 1x 1080p as well. Nevertheless, 2 GB should be enough and then some for as far as 3x 1080p screens most of the time, will be some performance difference once you go past 3x 1080p, say, running 3x 1600p, for example.
Hm, this doesn't seem quite right. In most games, once I turn up the settings to around the high preset and add maybe 2x or 4x MSAA, I'm hitting my 1GB VRAM limit. Of course, AA does suck up VRAM. I'll get back to you in a bit after playing around with some games.

From what I've seen, since you plan on going 5760x1080 I'd say not only to get >2GB cards but also to get something with a 384-bit memory bus.
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Oh, Carniflex, I meant 4GB for 5760x1080. I'm planning on buying two more of these ASUS VG248QE's in the near future for a Surround Setup. I'm trying to figure out my best upgrade path, at the moment. For my single 1080, one 780 or two 770 2GBs would be perfect. The 770s would give me better performance but the 780 would give me a far better upgrade path so it's a tough call.

I am currently trying to find the best solution to running my 24" 1080p 144Hz screen at 100+ FPS to really test out Lightboost and the refresh rate since I've always gamed w/ 60Hz IPS Panels.

If I really enjoy, which I think I will, I'm going to buy two more so I will need enough GPU power to keep them at high fps w/ reasonable quality settings. It doesn't have to be max but at least high or more in most games, aside from Crysis and Metro.


Ellis, I give up on those benchmarks. I swear that I read through an entire review that made no sense like that but I can't find it for the life of me so you win. haha

So, given my situation since I'm going to order as soon as they get stock back in, what would be my best option in running my current screen then upgrading?

Basically, what is going to be better for me between 780 SLI and 770 4GB 3-Way SLI?

I'm assuming the 770s would outperform the 780s by a good margin at 5760x1080, however, those 780s are overclocking monsters. lol

I wish I was more familiar with Nvidia. redface.gif I feel like I'm way in over my head. haha

EDIT:

They have the Gigabyte and EVGA 4GB Cards at Newegg. They sold out quickly, though. Then I found the Gigabyte in stock at Amazon but they sold out before I could snag one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125462 <-- $449 for Gigabyte

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130925 <-- $519 for EVGA

Obviously, I would just pay $650 for a 780 before paying $520 for the EVGA version. $449 isn't a bad price compared to $399 on the 2GB's, though.
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Yeah, I haven't seen anything on the 4GB 770s - either reviews and such, or even seen them for sale anywhere.
Hm, this doesn't seem quite right. In most games, once I turn up the settings to around the high preset and add maybe 2x or 4x MSAA, I'm hitting my 1GB VRAM limit. Of course, AA does suck up VRAM. I'll get back to you in a bit after playing around with some games.

From what I've seen, since you plan on going 5760x1080 I'd say not only to get >2GB cards but also to get something with a 384-bit memory bus.

Hm. Might be that I have not tried the latest and greatest as far as games go. I was running on 1 GB for a while, but the most demanding things I tried on that were perhhaps Crysis 1 and Metro 2033 - as I was on 6770 + 5770 crossfire then the cards lacked the raw power to really push the "very high" at that reso. So if at very high something is added that makes cards to take a lot more RAM then my "ballparks" might be a bit too optimistic. For example Metro 2033 I was playing with low settings in DX 9 mode as at that time I had only a single 6770. After that I upgraded to 7870 (2GB of RAM) which I did not have any significant issues with. When pushing some AA its still possible to hit vRAM limit with it at my resolution (5x 1080p), The 7950 I have had only for some weeks and I have not encountered the vRAm limit yet. It's that my 7870 is in warranty atm and I needed something to push my pixels as going back on 6770 from 7870 was painful.

You notice very explicitly when you hit the vRAM limit as its straight trip to 3 fps from wherever you happen to be sitting. In general when card just hits the performance wall the fps degrades more gracefully but vRAM - thats straight off the cliff.

Edit: I do agree btw that having more vRAM is good thing, especially on 3+ screens.
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64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Corsair LE 480HB Sythe big shuriken rev B 
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Nexxos 280mm radiator DC-LT Alphacool GPX 390M04 Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
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DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
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CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Significantly modded Jupiter .. something alumi... Logitech G700s 
Mouse Pad
3M Ergonomic 
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Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Gigabyte 390X G1 Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Sythe big shuriken rev B Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Modded Sharkoon VS-3 Logitech G700s 
Mouse Pad
3M Ergonomic 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Sapphire 7950 FleX OC XFX 6770 Eyefinity 5 
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Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 64 GB Samsung 750 GB F3 Barracuda 3 TB 
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WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Custom loop Windows 7 Pro 64 bit DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Modded Chieftec Smart WH-02B-B-OB Logitech G700s 3M Ergonomic 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Gigabyte 390X G1 Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Corsair LE 480HB Sythe big shuriken rev B 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Nexxos 280mm radiator DC-LT Alphacool GPX 390M04 Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Significantly modded Jupiter .. something alumi... Logitech G700s 
Mouse Pad
3M Ergonomic 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Gigabyte 390X G1 Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Sythe big shuriken rev B Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Modded Sharkoon VS-3 Logitech G700s 
Mouse Pad
3M Ergonomic 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Sapphire 7950 FleX OC XFX 6770 Eyefinity 5 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 64 GB Samsung 750 GB F3 Barracuda 3 TB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Custom loop Windows 7 Pro 64 bit DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Modded Chieftec Smart WH-02B-B-OB Logitech G700s 3M Ergonomic 
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