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Hi,

I've been making a lot of threads lately but I've learned a lot. thumb.gif


My planned build so far is:

Haswell i5-4670k $219 [Already bought]

Noctua 14D $79 [Already bought]

2 x 4 of GSkill Sniper DDR3-1866 $62 [Already bought]

MSI Z87A-GD65 Gaming $155 <- I sound facepalm-y, BUT IT'S GOT A DRAGON ON IT!

NZXT Full Tower Chassis $109 <- Black with green trim

Normal Hard Drive is Free because I have a 1 TB drive from my old computer for storage/backup.

SAMSUNG 840 Pro 256 GB $210

GTX 770 $400 <- ??? Unsure

Power Supply? $???

Rest of the fans for NZXT! I want a typhoon type of airflow! It needs to suck a cat into the computer case with the side panel open!

Estimated Total Cost Shipped at the Door:$1338.89 without power supply or extra NZXT fans.

Question Time! tongue.gif
1. The motherboard has enough fan headers to power all of the fans in the case, right?
2. I think I recall without FSB now we don't adjust ram settings with overclocks? So 1866 stays 1866?
3. If anybody knows (I'll try to Google the answer right after I post this) if the Noctua, MSI GD65 Gaming, and Gskill Sniper will play nice together?
4. I heard that one AMD representative said he expects 8000 series at end of the year. Makes sense; to match higher end because Nvidia is laying the smackdown at 7970 price point, and just in time for holiday season! GPU upgrades is a big factor in performance so... PLUS, I won't have money left to finish the rig, so I'll save the GPU for last and have a functioning rig. (MSI mobo has DVI plug BUT it is not DVI-D, required for my 1440p Catleap. Hard to use it in the interim.)
5. How many watts do you figure I would need if I OC Haswell to 4.6-4.7 (being super optimistic to prevent PSU dying), GTX 770 oc'ed, etc? I have an old power supply but it's a little loud and I don't
know how much power it gives. It runs Q6600 with SLI 8800gt without problems though. Maybe 550? 650? Do you think getting a good brand like Corsair is worthwhile or spend it on Rosewill?



Please feel free to comment, ask questions on anything. Say anything you want to say or you think would teach me something. biggrin.gif
Edited by Darkwizzie - 6/15/13 at 6:08am
   
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Originally Posted by Darkwizzie View Post

Hi,

I've been making a lot of threads lately but I've learned a lot. thumb.gif


My planned build so far is:

Haswell i5-4670k $219 [Already bought]

Noctua 14D $79 [Already bought]

2 x 4 of GSkill Sniper DDR3-1866 $62 [Already bought]

MSI Z87A-GD65 Gaming $155 <- I sound facepalm-y, BUT IT'S GOT A DRAGON ON IT!

NZXT Full Tower Chassis $109 <- Black with green trim

Normal Hard Drive is Free because I have a 1 TB drive from my old computer for storage/backup.

SAMSUNG 840 Pro 256 GB $210

GTX 770 $400 <- ??? Unsure

Power Supply? $???

Rest of the fans for NZXT! I want a typhoon type of airflow! It needs to suck a cat into the computer case with the side panel open!

Estimated Total Cost Shipped at the Door:$1338.89 without power supply or extra NZXT fans.

Question Time! tongue.gif
1. The motherboard has enough fan headers to power all of the fans in the case, right?
2. I think I recall without FSB now we don't adjust ram settings with overclocks? So 1866 stays 1866?
3. If anybody knows (I'll try to Google the answer right after I post this) if the Noctua, MSI GD65 Gaming, and Gskill Sniper will play nice together?
4. I heard that one AMD representative said he expects 8000 series at end of the year. Makes sense; to match higher end because Nvidia is laying the smackdown at 7970 price point, and just in time for holiday season! GPU upgrades is a big factor in performance so... PLUS, I won't have money left to finish the rig, so I'll save the GPU for last and have a functioning rig. (MSI mobo has DVI plug BUT it is not DVI-D, required for my 1440p Catleap. Hard to use it in the interim.)
5. How many watts do you figure I would need if I OC Haswell to 4.6-4.7 (being super optimistic to prevent PSU dying), GTX 770 oc'ed, etc? I have an old power supply but it's a little loud and I don't
know how much power it gives. It runs Q6600 with SLI 8800gt without problems though. Maybe 550? 650? Do you think getting a good brand like Corsair is worthwhile or spend it on Rosewill?

Please feel free to comment, ask questions on anything. Say anything you want to say or you think would teach me something. biggrin.gif

1.) Motherboard has four fan headers, case comes with four fans. So just enough

2.) Actually with Haswell, they now have a divider so if you wanted to you could overclock with FSB. However, traditionally, no you would make no use of this features. 1866 would run at 1866, unless you tried to overclock your memory by telling it to run faster. Which you would have to increase DRAM Voltage, VVT, and probably play with timings to do so.

3.) The GSkill Sniper doesn't have an overly aggressive heatsink like Corsair Vengeance. The NH-D14 is probably one of the most popular Air Coolers out right now. I highly doubt it will not all work together or you will have clearance issues, if that's what you are referring to by saying "playing nice together." They should, "play nice." tongue.gif

4.) You might want to consider the psychology behind a competitor GPU company. If their competition has a product out right now that's faster and knocking out their price points then they will release any type of press that may give consumers the ideas to hold back on buying newly released products from their competitor. This why leaks happen. It's no coincidence that the 8000 series leaks happened shortly after Titan, 780, and 770. I wouldn't bother waiting for the 8000 series. If you have the 770 in mind I would just think about grabbing one. Amazon has them going for $410 right now, even some nice models like the Gigabyte Windforce and $420 for EVGA SC w/ ACX. A lot of people are having great success in overclocking them. Doing 1300MHz Core isn't really too hard. However, the memory on these 770's is awesome. People doing like 8000MHz on memory. Had my friend's doing 7600, and we just kept going higher to 7800 without any problems. So for $410-420 getting above 680 performance and then overclocking it even further than that. You cant beat the price point. Waiting for anything is pointless.

5.) If you don't plan on going SLI, really just grab a Rosewill Capstone 450-M. It's just as reliable as a Corsair except it's $70. If going that low worries you, grab the 550-M for $80. If you do plan on going SLI or Crossfire though, definitely Grab a 650-M.

Few things to note:

If you are strapped for cash, don't know why your SSD of choice would be the Samsung 840 Pro. It may be the most popular and a great performer, but there are plenty of other SSD's that are equally as fast and just as reliable for less money. For instance, look at the SanDisk Extreme SSD 240 GB for $163.72 @ Amazon.com.

If I was spending $155 on a motherboard, I would just spend $20 more and get the ASRock Z87 Extreme6. Which is a much better motherboard all around. Plus it includes a free memory kit if you buy it soon off of Newegg, so you can sell that and make $50 quickly off of it. So then that would make the board cheaper than the MSI, and it's still better.

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Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 6/16/13 at 3:00am
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1.) Motherboard has four fan headers, case comes with four fans. So just enough

2.) Actually with Haswell, they now have a divider so if you wanted to you could overclock with FSB. However, traditionally, no you would make no use of this features. 1866 would run at 1866, unless you tried to overclock your memory by telling it to run faster. Which you would have to increase DRAM Voltage, VVT, and probably play with timings to do so.

3.) The GSkill Sniper doesn't have an overly aggressive heatsink like Corsair Vengeance. The NH-D14 is probably one of the most popular Air Coolers out right now. I highly doubt it will not all work together or you will have clearance issues, if that's what you are referring to by saying "playing nice together." They should, "play nice." tongue.gif

4.) You might want to consider the psychology behind a competitor GPU company. If their competition has a product out right now that's faster and knocking out their price points then they will release any type of press that may give consumers the ideas to hold back on buying newly released products from their competitor. This why leaks happen. It's no coincidence that the 8000 series leaks happened shortly after Titan, 780, and 770. I wouldn't bother waiting for the 8000 series. If you have the 770 in mind I would just think about grabbing one. Amazon has them going for $410 right now, even some nice models like the Gigabyte Windforce and $420 for EVGA SC w/ ACX. A lot of people are having great success in overclocking them. Doing 1300MHz Core isn't really too hard. However, the memory on these 770's is awesome. People doing like 8000MHz on memory. Had my friend's doing 7600, and we just kept going higher to 7800 without any problems. So for $410-420 getting above 680 performance and then overclocking it even further than that. You cant beat the price point. Waiting for anything is pointless.

5.) If you don't plan on going SLI, really just grab a Rosewill Capstone 450-M. It's just as reliable as a Corsair except it's $70. If going that low worries you, grab the 550-M for $80. If you do plan on going SLI or Crossfire though, definitely Grab a 650-M.

Few things to note:

If you are strapped for cash, don't know why your SSD of choice would be the Samsung 840 Pro. It may be the most popular and a great performer, but there are plenty of other SSD's that are equally as fast and just as reliable for less money. For instance, look at the SanDisk Extreme SSD 240 GB for $163.72 @ Amazon.com.

If I was spending $155 on a motherboard, I would just spend $20 more and get the ASRock Z87 Extreme6. Which is a much better motherboard all around. Plus it includes a free memory kit if you buy it soon off of Newegg, so you can sell that and make $50 quickly off of it. So then that would make the board cheaper than the MSI, and it's still better.

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Hey, thanks for the reply!
The case has optional fans however. I'm thinking of getting 6 fans running, I don't know if I can get the 7th one with Noctua. :/ But that leaves me with almost no options for a motherboard.

I read Haswell overclocking is complex. I hope I'm up for it. Looks like I will need to spam questions. I really hope to get a motherboard in before my Haswell 15 day warranty expires. 11 days left. Might have a dud or a champ overclocker, no way to tell until I get it in.

Right now I have no plans to SLI because I'm not playing anything that will stress the GPUs that much to warrant getting a second card. As it stands right now I honestly don't know. I actually have a PSU from my current build which I'm using to type this. It has enough juice to run Q6600 and SLI 8800gt. I think it's 550 or 650w. Forgot which and don't know how to check. It's semi-loud though. As a general question... how loud are PSUs now?

On your motherboard suggestion:
I don't know how to sell my ram if I get it. I can't make an ad on Overclock.net because I lack to rep. There's some vanity going on here, because I want a dragon on my Mobo, haha. biggrin.gif
Why is that motherboard so much better? It has 3 chassis fan headers and 1 'power fan header', no clue what that is.

In http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131977 it says there's an 'assistant header'... Can I use a CPU fan header for a case fan?
Edited by Darkwizzie - 6/16/13 at 3:22am
   
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Hey, thanks for the reply!
The case has optional fans however. I'm thinking of getting 6 fans running, I don't know if I can get the 7th one with Noctua. :/ But that leaves me with almost no options for a motherboard.

I read Haswell overclocking is complex. I hope I'm up for it. Looks like I will need to spam questions. I really hope to get a motherboard in before my Haswell 15 day warranty expires. 11 days left. Might have a dud or a champ overclocker, no way to tell until I get it in.

Right now I have no plans to SLI because I'm not playing anything that will stress the GPUs that much to warrant getting a second card. As it stands right now I honestly don't know. I actually have a PSU from my current build which I'm using to type this. It has enough juice to run Q6600 and SLI 8800gt. I think it's 550 or 650w. Forgot which and don't know how to check. It's semi-loud though. As a general question... how loud are PSUs now?

On your motherboard suggestion:
I don't know how to sell my ram if I get it. I can't make an ad on Overclock.net because I lack to rep. There's some vanity going on here, because I want a dragon on my Mobo, haha. biggrin.gif
Why is that motherboard so much better? It has 3 chassis fan headers and 1 'power fan header', no clue what that is.

In http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131977 it says there's an 'assistant header'... Can I use a CPU fan header for a case fan?

No problem.

If you want to fill up all the optional fans, then you will need a Fan Controller. They are moderately priced these days, so no real big issue. I would grab a Sunbeam Rheobus-Extreme Fan Controller Panel for $25.99 off of Newegg.com It can run up to 6 fans, then I would just use the 7th fan directly in the CPU Fan Mobo Header.

I actually watched two overclocking videos for Haswell, here's the two I watched: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CHs5_TdpXE and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub6WnHmiIOs. Seems no harder than Sandy or Ivy Bridge to be honest. If anything it will be easier.

You can sell your ram on eBay or Amazon.com. Amazon.com is the easiest method. Will probably sell the day after you post it if you price it nice. I guess if you want a "dragon" on your motherboard, then go for it but I'm sure they put the dragon on the motherboard for that specific marketing gimmick method. MSI's motherboards are generally underwhelming, their top top end stuff is pretty good. However, just generally build quality and features they have nothing special about them. Power Fan header is just going to be ran at Maximum RPMS. You would use this for your NH-D14. If you are worried about Haswell being difficult to overclock, then the ASRock will definitely be something to consider. Overclocking on them is very easy. They also have so many great utilities that make the board worthwhile. Just check out their website and you will see what I mean when trying to compare it to the MSI Gaming - http://www.asrock.com/microsite/intel8/

You can use any fan for any header, it really doesn't make any difference. Just the Power fan header will be running at max speed. So it's generally for your CPU cooler.
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In regards to your asrock link: I actually don't know what you want me to compare, lol. I went through the link, lots of info but don't know what specific part is of importance. I always had an impression that Asrock is for cheaper builds. tongue.gif I suppose it has some merit because the go-to motherboard was often Extreme4 for socket 1155.

I think I'll keep my old power supply to save money and because it's got a blue theme to it which matches my NZXT case fans. I guess I can skip the MSI because it's hard to see inside with the NZXT Phantom side panel anyways. rolleyes.gif

So I guess I'll go with the Extreme6. The Extreme4 doesn't have the ram deal. Tsk tsk. Kinda blows that is only has 3 normal fan connectors though.
I admit I fall for the motherboard marketing such as: The DRAGON, black cap transistors, whatnot. Hehe.

EDIT:

Check out this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/358626-28-nzxt-phantom-asrock-extreme6-question
There are things that connect 2 fan power plugs into one? o.o

"Five 20W per Channel fan control totaling 100W"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146067

I also found the MSI motherboard for $140! redface.gif Very cheap... but 2 reviews on Newegg about ram issues. :x
Edited by Darkwizzie - 6/16/13 at 6:04am
   
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