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post #2071 of 5039
Another, more technical question: is the GPU clock tied to the CPU clock. I know that the CPU clock dictates the computer since everything has to run in sync, but does the GPU have it's own clock that runs independent of the CPU?I know clock speed is a big selling point for graphics cards, so I would assume they are, but then again, everything I know about computers (which admittedly isn't a lot) says it should be with the CPU.
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frequencies and voltages are usually separately specific to each CPU and GPU.

You can overclock the frequency/clockrate of a CPU using X voltage whilst leaving a GPU frequency/clockrate at factory settings using Y voltage (and vice versa).
    
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I have a couple of questions:

First, has anyone tried using their stock CPU fan (or any CPU fan that's not a liquid cooling system) and compared the temps to when the liquid cooling was connected? Particularly on computers with overclocked processors and that are using a good sized portion of the CPU. I am interested in seeing if there really is that NEED for a liquid cooling system. It makes sense that liquid cooling is more efficient, but is the need TRULY there. Liquid cooling is decently expensive so if it isn't necessary, it's an easy way to save about $100.

Second, processor brands. I can get a lot more processor for a lot less money using AMD instead of Intel. However, I have heard people complain about driver support with AMD CPU's. What is the recommendation here? Is there truly a difference between the two? Does one perform better than the other?

Just looking for a general consensus. I'm on a tight budget, so if I can save a couple hundred, that would be wonderful.

Basically I have found that computers are a lot like cars.. How fast do you want to go= how much are you willing to spend! 2cents.gif
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post #2074 of 5039
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I have a couple of questions:

First, has anyone tried using their stock CPU fan (or any CPU fan that's not a liquid cooling system) and compared the temps to when the liquid cooling was connected? Particularly on computers with overclocked processors and that are using a good sized portion of the CPU. I am interested in seeing if there really is that NEED for a liquid cooling system. It makes sense that liquid cooling is more efficient, but is the need TRULY there. Liquid cooling is decently expensive so if it isn't necessary, it's an easy way to save about $100.

Second, processor brands. I can get a lot more processor for a lot less money using AMD instead of Intel. However, I have heard people complain about driver support with AMD CPU's. What is the recommendation here? Is there truly a difference between the two? Does one perform better than the other?

Just looking for a general consensus. I'm on a tight budget, so if I can save a couple hundred, that would be wonderful.

It all depends on what you're doing. If you are not going to overclock, then there's no need for anything other than the stock fan. If you are overclocking, then you will need extra cooling. An air cooler will do just fine, but you need to be careful in your choice since it's a small case and a small mobo since air coolers tend to be large. You'll have to find one that will fit. For heavy overclocking, you'll probably want to go with water.

I would suggest AMD cpus for tight budgets.

For clock speeds, it's as fleetfeather said, they are separate for discreet video cards. They might be tied together for integrated graphics, I'm not sure.
 
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Samsung 850 Evo M.2 Asus Blue Ray Custom Liquid Cooled Windows 10 
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post #2075 of 5039
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It all depends on what you're doing. If you are not going to overclock, then there's no need for anything other than the stock fan. If you are overclocking, then you will need extra cooling. An air cooler will do just fine, but you need to be careful in your choice since it's a small case and a small mobo since air coolers tend to be large. You'll have to find one that will fit. For heavy overclocking, you'll probably want to go with water.

I would suggest AMD cpus for tight budgets.

For clock speeds, it's as fleetfeather said, they are separate for discreet video cards. They might be tied together for integrated graphics, I'm not sure.

If one was to go Haswell, I still wouldn't go with anything less than a high-end air cooler; something like a 212 EVO is going to struggle unless you delid (and even then.........). Sounds like the OP is thinking of AMD though, so this might not apply.

iGPU can set it's own voltage separate to that of core voltage (at least with haswell it can), but it's still sorta tied to the CPU due to VRIN (VRIN = total input voltage going into the CPU before it's separated into the core, the cache, the IMC, and the iGPU).
    
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post #2076 of 5039
Just ordered my 350D and all it's beautiful components! Can't wait to get everything in boot it up and snap some photos!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VI GENE Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital Scorpio Black 750GB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card
Case: Corsair 350D Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition 39.9 CFM 120mm Fan
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition (2-Pack) 37.9 CFM 120mm Fans
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition 67.8 CFM 140mm Fan
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition 67.8 CFM 140mm Fan
Power Supply: Corsair 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor
Keyboard: Ducky DK9008 Shine 3 Green LED Backlit (Brown Cherry MX) Wired Standard Keyboard
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder 2013 Wired Optical Mouse
Other: Dominator Platinum Light Bar Upgrade Kit
Other: Nvidia G-Sync Module
Other: Corsair Individually Sleeved Cable Kit(Red)
Other: Corsair Individually Sleeved Cable 24pin(Red)

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needs more corsair imo rolleyes.gif
    
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post #2078 of 5039
Well, I'm actually going a different route now. I pre-ordered the NZXT H440 and will be building in that case now. Haven't decided if I'm gonna keep the 350D and use it later for something else or sell the case.
post #2079 of 5039
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Originally Posted by fleetfeather View Post

If one was to go Haswell, I still wouldn't go with anything less than a high-end air cooler; something like a 212 EVO is going to struggle unless you delid (and even then.........). Sounds like the OP is thinking of AMD though, so this might not apply.

iGPU can set it's own voltage separate to that of core voltage (at least with haswell it can), but it's still sorta tied to the CPU due to VRIN (VRIN = total input voltage going into the CPU before it's separated into the core, the cache, the IMC, and the iGPU).

Really? I can see with overclocking, but even with stock they run too hot? Then I would suggest some complaints are in order if Intel is supplying ineffective coolers with their cpus.
 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-7700k Asus Strix z270G EVGA GTX 1070 FTW GSkill TridenZ RGB 
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Samsung 850 Evo M.2 Asus Blue Ray Custom Liquid Cooled Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung KS8500 Razer Blackwidow Chroma Corsair AX1200 Thermaltake View 31 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Naga Chroma Razer Firefly Soundblaster Z 
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I7-7700K Asus Rog Strix Z270G EVGA GTX 1070 FTW GSkill TridentZ RGB 
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Samsung 850 Evo M.2 WD Passport External USB Asus Blue Ray Drive Monsoon Series 2 Reservoir 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK Supremacy Evo Alphacool ST30 Alphacool ST30 Alphacool UT60 
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Primochill Advanced LRT Swiftech MCP655-PWM Windows 10 Pro Samsung KS498500 
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Samsung 850 Evo M.2 Asus Blue Ray Custom Liquid Cooled Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung KS8500 Razer Blackwidow Chroma Corsair AX1200 Thermaltake View 31 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Naga Chroma Razer Firefly Soundblaster Z 
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I7-7700K Asus Rog Strix Z270G EVGA GTX 1070 FTW GSkill TridentZ RGB 
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Samsung 850 Evo M.2 WD Passport External USB Asus Blue Ray Drive Monsoon Series 2 Reservoir 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK Supremacy Evo Alphacool ST30 Alphacool ST30 Alphacool UT60 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Primochill Advanced LRT Swiftech MCP655-PWM Windows 10 Pro Samsung KS498500 
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post #2080 of 5039
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Originally Posted by munoz311 View Post

Just ordered my 350D and all it's beautiful components! Can't wait to get everything in boot it up and snap some photos!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($337.98 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VI GENE Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($192.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($215.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital Scorpio Black 750GB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($71.50 @ Adorama)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($727.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 350D Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition 39.9 CFM 120mm Fan ($12.43 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition (2-Pack) 37.9 CFM 120mm Fans ($22.39 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition 67.8 CFM 140mm Fan ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition 67.8 CFM 140mm Fan ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: Corsair 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($21.95 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($138.98 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($263.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Ducky DK9008 Shine 3 Green LED Backlit (Brown Cherry MX) Wired Standard Keyboard ($149.00 @ Mechanical Keyboards)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder 2013 Wired Optical Mouse ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Other: Dominator Platinum Light Bar Upgrade Kit ($19.99)
Other: Nvidia G-Sync Module ($299.99)
Other: Corsair Individually Sleeved Cable Kit(Red) ($79.99)
Other: Corsair Individually Sleeved Cable 24pin(Red) ($34.99)
Total: $3228.61
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-15 19:43 EST-0500)


Yep. Needs more Corsair - A Corsair SSD of your choice, a K95 for sure (And I am actually kinda serious about that, for it's a really good keyboard.), Headset, and mouse. wink.gif



But not a bad set up all in all - Only real change I would say is get a bigger SSD for the boot disk. Sure, in theory, its plenty, but you will fill it faster than you would believe and its best to have it and not need the space, than the other way around.
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